100% agreed, thankyou

OK. So,

If Christ was in fact dead when the centurion struck him in the side, there couldn't have been a 'gush' of blood. I think it would all translate to what is perceived as a 'gush'.

A good point Nikkums, gushing means to literally pour out and if a person is dead this isn't possible as the heart is no longer beating to pump it out.

Christ was placed in a cave less than 100 yards from the crucifiction site. If this is in fact true then, the only witnesses there would have been his family. We know Pilot didn't want to crucify him. It was demanded by the Jewish peoples. We also know that it took 12-13 hours for someone to die being crucified. Jesus died in about three, this is why he was stabbed in the side, to prove he was dead. Within this chapel that contained the "possible proof" that Christ lived there is a painting showing them moving his body AT NIGHT. They did not do that in Jewish faith, you do not even touch a dead body at night.

Alright who here believes that Jesus did not die on the cross?

I believe what was said in the Bible, that Jesus died on the cross.

I believe that Jesus died on the cross, too.

I too believe Jesus died on the cross.

I also belive that he died on he cross.

Alright I believe he died on the cross too. Just because he died after 3 hours does not mean that he didn't die. There are many complications to being hung that way such as suffication and blood loss. Jesus was severely beaten so he has already lost quite a bit of blood. He was exhaused, and he was only loosing more blood as he hung. I don't understand why anyone could believe that they took Jesus down from the cross before he died. Why would he bother going through all of that torture to just be taken down from the cross. He came to Earth to die for our sins.