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#119783 - 03/28/05 09:15 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
Kacey_Bugsy_777 Offline
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Well said Ashley
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#119784 - 03/28/05 09:15 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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Ashley I agree with you completely. I believe Jesus died on the cross. Jesus said -

"Father, into your hands I commend my spirit." Then he let out his last breath and every creature left alive learned the meaning of silence.

So yes, Jesus died for our sins and all of mankind.

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#119785 - 03/28/05 09:26 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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Exactly Nikkums smile I had posted scriptures such as that one in an earlier post of mine. Here they are again smile

Matthew 27:50

"And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit."

Mark 15:37

"With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last."

Luke 23:46

"Jesus called out with a loud voice, 'Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.' When he had said this, he breathed his last."

John 19:30

"When he had recieved the drink, Jesus said, 'It is finished.' With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."
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#119786 - 03/28/05 09:45 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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Precisely Kacey, let's face it, even translated to modern language 'it is finished' and 'he gave up his spirit' HAS to mean he died.

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#119787 - 03/28/05 09:52 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
Kacey_Bugsy_777 Offline
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Exactly!
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#119788 - 03/28/05 09:54 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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Also, when they pierced him in the side with a spear the blood and water came out separated meaning that he was dead.
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#119789 - 03/29/05 10:34 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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I watched a programme about crucifixion, and although it is usually said that it takes a long time to die, I think it did say that it was possible in certain circumstances. So he may well have died on the cross.

However, I wasn't there and as you must know I don't take the Bible as 'gospel truth', so I don't know.

From other things I have read, it does sound possible that his family saved him at the last minute.
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#119790 - 03/29/05 11:26 PM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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A good point PDM. As Christ was tortured and then had to carry that heavy cross He no doubt would have been exhausted and in pain thus shortening the time to die. As He was also the son of God, perhaps he had a choice as to how long it would take?

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#119791 - 03/30/05 02:47 AM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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perhaps...

according to the Bible Jesus did die and descended into hell (he was suffering our punishment for us by dying on the cross and descending to hell) He then rose again from the dead and ascended into heaven. So, he beat death and the devil because of his tremendous love for us lowly sinners.
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#119792 - 04/01/05 12:42 AM Re: Jesus on the Cross - Was he dead? Did he Survive?
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I read, I think in Barbara Thierings book, that it might have been the son of Jesus who was crucified.
Interestingly, I think it was Thiering who said that Barabbas, the name of the criminal crucified with Jesus, actually means 'Son of the Father' and may have been a coded reference to the son of Jesus.

And in Freke and Gandy's book, 'The Jesus Mysteries', it says this:

"It was a widespread tradition amongst early Christians that Jesus had a twin brother who resembled him in every detail. This caused Literalists a great many problems, as the obvious objection to their claims that Jesus had literally resurrected from the dead was that his twin brother had been crucified in his place. ...

The authorship of the Gospel of Thomas is attributed to Didymos Judas Thomas. The Aramaic name Thomas and the Greek name Didymos both mean 'twin'. The author's name is thus 'Judas the twin'. This suggests that in the original Jesus story, Judas the betrayer of Jesus symboliized the eidolon which betrays the Daemon."
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