Forgive me but this post is going to be long. So much to consider & respond to.PDM wrote:
but I know of people who have had quite the opposdite - very negative experiences.
I can think of some really devoted members of congregations, who have been badly let down by people they really trusted.
I've had similar experiences as well. THe old church I belonged to since I was a child up until I was in my 20's, the one I got married in, was like this. I believed that the members there didn't act the way Jesus had encouraged us to act so I left & it turned me away from "organized religion" for a very long time. Then in my 30's a friend reached out to me & I then joined the one I'm in now. A big difference. somsuj wrote:
Actually none of Matthew, Mark, John are eyewitnesses either - we are not sure whether this John is John the beloved disciple - some even say that it was written by Mary Magdalene !!
It is highly unlikely that Mary Magdelene wrote John's gospel as women back in that age were not in high regard. And what I don't understand people arguing is this statement from that gospel - This is the disciple who testifies of these things & wrote these things; & we know that his testimony is true.
This is what makes scholars believe that John himself is the one who wrote this gospel.
re the 'King' and central position of the throne - i was trying to wind up everybody. However I sill think it is a bit surprising to see Jesus at the centre of the pictures in the throne as the King. I expected some would say that the Father and the Holy Spirit are also in the sentre - usually - not on the throne but in the same line !!!
I was doing some more research on the "right hand of God" concept & I found some interesting opinions. It's not of a physical nature as actually right beside God the Father, but more as spiritual. I'll have to find that info again. It made for some interesting reading. I thought too of the physical but the more I research & study, I understand it more to be in a spiritual sense.
Also thanks for accepting in general terms that the Magi got it wrong - they did not know what king they were talking about - in other words apart from knowing a king is born - they knew nothing ( have you seen Fawlty Towers btw and do you know the quote 'I know nothing!'? - may be PDM knows )
Haven't seen Faulty Towers. Matthew is the only gospel writer to include this story. I wonder where he got the story from? Jesus did not talk of his birth that we know of. Of course there are many things that aren't included in the gospels. To include everything he ever did would take up I don't know how many novels. I wonder if perhaps Matthew got the story from Jesus' mother, Mary? THat would be interesting to find out.
Not sure about complacence - surely does not encourage questions.
Yes, there are some sects out there that encourage you not to ask questions but just do as you're taught. Others, like the one I'm in, do encourage the questions b/c that's how we learn. God says himself that if we have questions, ask him. Don't think he'll throw us to the fire & brimstone if we do!
Logic says that if Jesus really was sent to save every one of us, regardless of ethnicity or culture, then why in 2000 years - only 30% of world population are Christians?
Logic says that if if Jesus really was sent to save every one of us, regardless of ethnicity or culture - then why bother to become Christian - i am saved anyway !
30% of the world population -- that is b/c people choose to reject the message. All a matter of choices. Jesus said that there are very few who find that narrow gate. 30% does seem low & few.
The fact that Jesus' purpose was to save does not mean that everyone accepts it. It is a gift & not many people will accept that gift. I had a grandmother who was ungrateful for everything that anyone did for her. I had gotten her a Christmas present last year & she told me that she liked it. Then she handed the present back to me a day later & told me that she had chosen to reject the gift b/c it wasn't what she wanted. I was very hurt. Can this be related to God's gift of sending His son? Possibly. God hands people a gift. It is up to them to accept it.
christ disliked a lot of his neighbours - like pharisees etc ..... what about that ?
Christ disliked the Pharisees' rules & regulations that people had to follow in order to enter the church. I don't believe he disliked them per se, but the laws they had for the church. Much like if someone dislikes the government's laws or decisions but don't have a problem at all w/George BUsh as a person.
kateyes wrote: but I don't think he intended, events like the Inquision, or genocide of non-believers.
Definitely not. As a matter of fact, He told his disciples that if they were not accepted in the town, to "shake the dust off their sandels" & move on to the next town. All boiling down to individual choices.
However don't most religions have the old golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I think that is the point trying to be made.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Thanks kateyes.