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#126229 - 06/21/06 07:53 AM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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... The Bible says in [b]Rom 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. And though there was no law to break, since it had not yet been given, they all died anyway-even though they did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. What a contrast between Adam and Christ, who was yet to come! And what a difference between our sin and God's generous gift of forgiveness. For this one man, Adam, brought death to many through his sin. But this other man, Jesus Christ, brought forgiveness to many through God's bountiful gift. And the result of God's gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man's sin. For Adam's sin led to condemnation, but we have the free gift of being accepted by God, even though we are guilty of many sins.
The things that happen to us happen as a result of one person's sin but the good news is that there is a God and His love for us is so great that He sent His Son. So while physical death does have a claim on us spiritual death will not if we believe in Christ Jesus. [/b]
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#126230 - 06/21/06 07:57 AM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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... The Bible says in Rom 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the entire human race. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. And though there was no law to break, since it had not yet been given, they all died anyway-even though they did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. ....
I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that. That makes no sense at all.
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#126231 - 06/21/06 03:54 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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Just as believing something does not make it true, not believing does not make it untrue. The above verse on its own may not make sense to many, but placed in context within the Scriptures it does.
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#126232 - 06/22/06 11:40 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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I am not alone in thinking that the story of Adam and Eve is unlikely to be true. Even many Christians accept that it is probably an allegory.

To say that Adam's sin brought death to the world is illogical and has to be untrue.

When could Adam have lived? How is it possible that he and Eve were the first, when we know that Neanderthals, Homo Erectus, etc, lived before? Unless Adam & Eve were Ape-men?

We have discussed these matters elsewhere and I don't want to get off topic, but we cannot really consider this matter, without repeating these arguments from elsewhere.
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#126233 - 06/23/06 06:32 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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To say that Adam's sin brought death to the world is illogical and has to be untrue.
Why does it have to be untrue?
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#126234 - 06/23/06 10:31 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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PDM wrote:
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To say that Adam's sin brought death to the world is illogical and has to be untrue.
Why does it have to be untrue?
I guess it doesn't have to be untrue. Just like the sun revolving around the earth doesn't have to be untrue either.

Or that Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world through his Noodly Appendange.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

And if you clap really hard, you can prevent a fairy from dying.
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#126235 - 06/23/06 10:33 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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From Mbas

***And if you clap really hard, you can prevent a fairy from dying.***

Hey, I've seen that work!!!! wink

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#126236 - 06/23/06 11:18 PM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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To say that Adam's sin brought death to the world is illogical and has to be untrue.
Why does it have to be untrue?
Because there is no logic to it.

Adam was not the first man. There were Neanderthals, etc, before Adam. The trees in the Biblical Eden were not the first trees. We know that apemen lived in the trees before this. Since those aspects of the story cannot be true, why and how can the story of Adam bringing death through sin be true. Lots of Men died before that time?
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#126237 - 06/24/06 01:33 AM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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And lots of people died before Jesus was born.

And a majority of the world's population didn't and doesn't believe in the Jewish/christian interpretation of "scripture"
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#126238 - 06/24/06 01:58 AM Re: Sin, Repentance, Atonement, Forgiveness, Redemption, Salvation, etc.
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PDM wrote:
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Because there is no logic to it.
And everything in the world has to have logic.
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Adam was not the first man. There were Neanderthals, etc, before Adam. The trees in the Biblical Eden were not the first trees. We know that apemen lived in the trees before this. Since those aspects of the story cannot be true, why and how can the story of Adam bringing death through sin be true. Lots of Men died before that time?
Who said Adam had to look like what we look like today?
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