Oh but the insulting stuff is SO entertaining! Really folks, the notion that anyone should possibly be insulted by a theological discussion is hillarious!

I know you're all pretty passionate about what you believe in, but as far as religion is concerned, none of you know jack-squat about the truth!! Nobody can claim to be in "the know" without appearing completely foolish. In fact, the only thing ANYBODY can proove is that NONE OF US KNOW ANYTHING about who created us, why we're here, what we're supposed to do, and so on... and so on.

Good grief folks, how can anybody be insulted? (Unless of course you damn me to hell over the whole ordeal - then you're getting personal) :rolleyes:

All any of us can do is speculate, share opinions, share experiences and enjoy the philosophical debate which has has us baffled since the very beginning. But it's all still just "what if" talk! What if this, what if that, what if, what if, what if... the very moment anyone claims to be enlightened to the TRUTH about which religion is "correct", is the moment they reveal themselves as utter fools.

uh oh..........

mbas are you calling me an utter fool? ....hehehe

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Where does 'Spooky' say this?

Nothing? Wow. I'm sorry you feel that way. I respect your decision, and I'm in awe of it. To me, it takes alot more faith to believe that there isn't a God, and that this is just an accident, than to believe in God.

Ok I want to know how far the nothing goes, because like many of you who try to understand us, I truly want to understand you. So I'm going to ask some questions.

What would it take for God to prove himself to you?

1. If Israel was given land to them promised to them 2000+ years ago in the Old Testament, would you believe?

2. If said land were to florish as a result of Israel's presense in the land, again as written in scripture 2000+ years ago, would you believe?

3. If suddenly a large majority of self proclaimed Christians were to disappear, would you believe? I mean the rapture has been talked about for 2000 years. If a large percent of the population just disappears one day it'd be hard to miss, and hard to explain away.

4.If after this dissapearance someone who everyone loved came along and brought peace to the middle east, would you believe?

5.If God suddenly appeared riding on the clouds, proclaiming Himself God, would you believe?

The first 2 have already happened. The last three have not. But in between, we have seen a push towards one world currency, one world government, a rise in Christian persecution, and the outbreak of several new wars, diseases, and natural disasters. All of this written in a book 2000+ years ago.

I can't just pass this up to coincidence, chance, luck. So again what would it take for God to prove himself? Because if you're waiting for question 5 to happen, by then it will be too late. [/b][/QUOTE]

1 No
2 No
3 No
4 No
5 I'd think I'd gone mad!

It's a theory, but not ONLY a theory. Scientific theories have to be based on a lot of research - they are not just ideas.

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wasn't me fish! honest! Twas SKR bringing that up!

I just want to make a discussion....

First a quote from my dear departed Grandfather

"Just because a christian is smiling, doesn't mean he's happy"

Now folks, hear this, Qbert can say what he/she likes, I dont mind if he/she calls me names and gets all uppity about my apparent intolerance. Qbert is entitled to his/her opinion. The fact I feel Qbert has decided to twist words to convey a hostility to someone who simply wanted a question answered, is neither here nor there, in fact it is expected. (re: the claim of intolerance)
To try to tell me that I am needing God, and afraid, is also expected. (and what i would call typical)

Qbert can call me whatever he/she deems fitting, I really dont care.

Qbert asked me what I really believed in, and i dont believe that i directly answered his/her question.

I believe in good people doing good things.
I believe in an afterlife.
I believe that that afterlife has a supreme being/s
I believe in free thought, and informed option taking.
I believe in loving ones family and doing whatever one can to keep them safe
I believe in keeping innocent/naive members of society safe.
I believe that karma loves revenge.
I believe that people are easily led, and hence, manipulated.

Now, re: Childlike understanding of the Bible... or whatever your reference was.

1) My Great grandfather was a Presbyterian minister (mothers side)
2) My Grandparents were both ardent followers of the Lord. (mothers side)
3) My Father is an RC Lay preacher.

I cannot quote scripture. I will not quote scripture. I have heard enough scripture for the moment. I have lived scripture for most of my life, I have met many people who have hearts of gold, and who deeply believe in leading a good life and doing nice things for others. I have met many who jump on the bandwagon and speak fire and brimstone, and yes, show intolerance of those who dont cherish the bible.

As I have said before, which you dont seem to appreciate, I believe the bible to be a document created by humans to manipulate humans. Wether you like that comment or not is not my problem.

It is my belief that the bible and "God" are only connected by Mans interference. I believe that verse such as "The meek shall inherit the earth" is a control device to keep the flock (sheep) under the thumb, for the church leaders (shepherds)to maintain control.

This is all I have to say on this matter Qbert. I'm sure that you would like to ensure that you have the last word in this "debate". If we continue the "I said you said" mentality i will probably be banned from the forum for telling you what I really think......................

And so the floor, and the last word, is yours...........