And by the way, 1948 wasn't the first "restoration" of Israel. It was the first since the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, but it wasn't the first time.

It's easy to match current events with "prophesy" when you are looking to fulfill the prophesy.

Ahh right we call it soccer. We don't really follow it as much as the rest of the world.

First off Christians are not persecuting everything in their path. There's a difference between persecution and defense. Why should we sit by and allow people to ban the use of "Merry Christmas", when people are allowed to say Happy Kwannzah at school? Ban the display of a nativity scene, when a Minnorah is being displayed not 10 feet away. Rewrite a beautiful Christian song like Silent Night to remove all traces of Christ from it?

Last year a local church was asked by a public school if they could use the church to hold graduation ceremonies. This church was then the topic of controversy, when it refussed to take down their cross for the school board. Why? If you a non-believer ask me to borrow something like my car why should I take down the cross hanging from the rearview mirror?

As for turning back the clocks on science. I don't agree with banning the teaching of evolution, but I do believe that my kids should be told that evolution is the only THEORY. Because as much as everyone likes to say I believe this, or I believe that, it's just a theory, a belief. Just like I don't have any concreate proof of God's existence and creation, evolutionist do not have any proof that evolution took place, or God's inexistence. Most of the arguing going on today is about teaching alternatives. Not banning one in favor of the other. What if science is wrong? It certainly wouldn't be the first time, or the last.

Your very first post, and mention of intolerance.

posted 27 May, 2006 01:21
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Greetings Believer.
Greetings Fish.

Greetings heathens.

Contrary to popular beliefs, Christians are not running around trying to pound their beliefs in you. We want to live in a tolerant society, yet all I see intolerance.

And nexxxxxxxt (19 minutes later):


posted 27 May, 2006 01:40
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By the way, I am not intolerant for the sake of just being intolerant, but I sure am intolerant of those that try to belittle my beliefs.

For that, I pray to God to forgive me, because I can be hotheaded towards ignorance


Look at me as much as you want bo-peep. You introduced the subject of intolerance, willingly, to stir the pot and have a dig i would suggest. Nicely manipulating the conversation (typically) to provide yourself with a rostrum from which to bleat to the flock.

I'd really like to see where "I" introduced intolerance just for the sake of being intolerant.

So let's see, it's ok for you to be intolerant of me, simply because I follow a book that you believe are fairy tales.
HOWEVER, it's not ok for me to take offense of you being intolerant of me?

See, the difference between you and I, is that you are intolerant of me, for reasons that really don't affect you. I'm not intolerant of you due to your lack of beliefs. Your lack of faith doesn't phase me in the least bit. I have nothing against you in that respect, in fact I respect you for your stance. If you're atheist, christian, muslim, jewish or if your chose to worship raptor jesus, more power to you. You, however, have no repect for us, and you go as far as saying that you're intolerant of us.

You're not looking for an intelligent debate, you're looking to simply bait Christians into an argument that you know Christians can't answer (somethings just cannot be answered, and that's where "faith" kicks in).

Everyone of your post from the beginning in this thread, just oozes with sarcastic intolerance:
"If you're in heaven, can you get a day pass to go be bad for 24hours?"

oh, by the way, before anyone says that Christians started the "intolerance" thing by using the term "childlike knowledge of God"...understand one thing, no one is saying that you are childlike, or are a child in anyway. There's no need to take offense, because no one is trying to offend anyone.

I myself have a childlike knowledge in God, as I am still learning a lot about myself and my faith (I said earlier that I was very liberal in my christian beliefs, and I wasn't kidding).

Qbert,
Just because you are a "liberal" christian or listen to rap music does not mean that I would like you any better.
I have a close friend that believes in the bible so literally that she is certain that all the ills of the world are due to Original Sin. I sometimes think she is insane, but I respect her 100% and we never have to put each other down to make a point.
I also have friends who are Republicans, and I don't know anyone who listens to rap music.

I don't seek people who have the exact same views or likes or dislikes as I.
Instead, I gravitate toward individuals with open minds, original thoughts, and those who treat each other with respect and kindness. There are people on this forum quite different than I, but I don't get negative vibes from them. Sorry to say but I get a lot of hostile vibes from you - others may call it intolerance - to me its just hostility and it puts others on the defensive. In some ways, you epitomize my revised view of Christianity - Its just about accepting Christ as your Savior and has nothing to do with the Golden Rule. I can't speak for others, but that's why I'm turned off.

I respect your reasons for being turned off to the Christian views on salvation and what not.

As for the hostile remarks, I ask you to go back and read everything I have posted, and consider what it was in response to.

The only 2 things can be possibly construed as "hostile" are the "heathen" and "childlike knowledge in God remarks"....and to both, I've already explained why no one should take offense to it.

As my 14 year old neighbor would say, "Its all good." Just saying that this forum seems to keep it congenial. Not looking for WWIII here.

I have read the threads and cannot believe how loud the shouting is coming through. It is like being in a room and everyone is shouting and no one is listening. We are all entitled to our opinions and we must all respect the opinions of others. If we do not respect the opinions of others, it soon it becomes a defensive argument, with everyone defending what they said and the meaning of the subject at hand is lost. It is my understanding that we are here to discuss our opinions and not necessarily to convince someone else that they are the right ones or to win the argument. I hope all of us can continue to dialog without insulting someone else. Now that I said that, I feel much better. I want all of you to remember what I am about to say for it is very important…I am not superstition and I am right. :D