[quote]Originally posted by mbas400: [b] [quote]all 10 of God's commandments[/quote]Just 10? The actual Hebrew Bible, which is ignored in favor of the pick and choose version adopted by Christians, lists many more commandments. Through the history of Judaism, the rabbis argued, bickered, and studied and came up with a number closer to 613. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot :) There is a difference between and commandment from God and just people :) :) :) :) :) :) I like the 10 commandments expecially because of the first one. I am the Lord thy God, thou shall have NO OTHER GODS before me. Exodus 20:2; I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. God is CAPITALIZED and God is always capitalized whey referring to God the Creator of the Universe. Exodus 20:3; Thou shalt have no other gods before me. God is not CAPITALIZED, and is not capitalized when not referring to God the Creator of the Universe, as can be seen by the multiple means first century Jews and Greek had for the word The original Greek word is ‘elohlym which means; 1. (plural) 1. rulers, judges 2. divine ones 3. angels 4. gods 2. (plural intensive - singular meaning) 1. god, goddess 2. godlike one 3. works or special possessions of God 4. the (true) God 5. God So, that implies to me, an ignorant human, that there are OTHER GODS, and this God, the God of the Hebrews, wants his people to follow only him, and not the other ones. Many people "interpret" that statement as meaning, don't worship false gods such as idols. But in every translation I've seen it's "OTHER GODS" see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_commandments Also, since we're talking about the 10 commandments, it's interesting to study the differences, some subtle, some not so subtle, between the versions used by Jews (two versions), Protestants, Catholics and the various denominations within Protestantism. So, as you quote the "10 commandments" remember that even among Christians, there is no definitive interpretation. [quote]Sin is nothing more than us telling God "We don't need to follow your rules, I believe I can get by on my own rules".[/quote]But what are God's rules? And are rules handed down nearly 4000 years ago still literally valid today? Perhaps the basics haven't changed all that much, don't murder, don't steal, etc. but the definition of those have changed over the years. What is theft? Whose definition of theft is the right one? Clouding morals in religious mumbo jumbo and superstition does nothing to further morality. Especially when there is NO NEED for morality in the Christian faith, since only acceptance of Jesus is required for membership. [/b][/quote]

Once again to place it on its own: Exodus 20:2; I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. God is CAPITALIZED and God is always capitalized whey referring to God the Creator of the Universe. Exodus 20:3; Thou shalt have no other gods before me. God is not CAPITALIZED, and is not capitalized when not referring to God the Creator of the Universe, as can be seen by the multiple means first century Jews and Greek had for the word The original Greek word is ‘elohlym which means; 1. (plural) 1. rulers, judges 2. divine ones 3. angels 4. gods 2. (plural intensive - singular meaning) 1. god, goddess 2. godlike one 3. works or special possessions of God 4. the (true) God 5. God

[quote]Originally posted by Steven Case: [b] The original Greek word is ‘elohlym which means; [/b][/quote]Hebrew, not Greek.

Love and peace?

Luke 12:49-53
Luke 19:27

[quote]Originally posted by mbas400: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Steven Case: [b] The original Greek word is ‘elohlym which means; [/b][/quote]Hebrew, not Greek. [/b][/quote]Thank you for correcting that, it is Hebrew with the meaning as stated above. Thanks for keeping me honest, the computer can spell check very well but can not spell check my Brain

The Hebrew used in the Bible, and the Torah today is written in all capitalized letters. In ancient Hebrew there were no lower case letter, nor were there vowels.

Both were added much, much later.

So the business about God or god was added by well meaning Christians who couldn't deal with the idea that perhaps there were more than one God out there.

The Hebrews lived in an age of poly-theism. It was all around them, in every culture, lead by the Egyptians. When God says, "Thou shalt have no other GODS before me," he means just that. Not Isis, Horus, Baal, or any of the other Gods that were available at that time.

I always thought it funny that Christianity, with the Trinity (which some sects don't believe in - see my post on the Holy Spirit) is really a return to polytheism. Many get around it by saying "it's one God in three Parts" but if Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit exists outside of both, they are three entities.

But that's a whole different topic......

So, just to be clear, are you saying that the written scriptures really don't matter?

You have a relationship with Jesus regardless of what it says in the Bible?

[quote]Originally posted by LordsLady: Enough already. Christians do not have exclusivity in atrocities. ALL RELIGIONS have committed some form of atrocity in the name of their god. As Believer stated, Jesus' mission and message was PEACE. That humans have distorted this message and forced it upon others is well known. But Christianity has not been the only faith to do so. [/quote]:) [quote][b]Amen to that, anyone hear what the Iraqis did to our 2 soldiers, didn’t even make the NY Times and others, oh I forgot, those are liberal papers and are only concerned about some pictures U.S. soldiers took of prisoners in inappropriate settings, not the beheading and mutilation of troops. Funny how everyone loves to jump on the Christians and the other religions are left alone. Funny who we have freedom of speech we can hear anyone talking about their religion, i.e. all that’s coming out of Hollywood, Christian Science this and that, Bala etc etc, but let a Christian speak? NO WAY, you have no right to speak, you are prejudice. You are prejudice, I love that one, because are ALL religions prejudice to what they believe. We are the only group of people that are discriminated against. Know why? Because people do not want a God or anything else telling them what to do. Who was it that said “I would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven” REALLY and again I can’t remember who stated that, but they were a self proclaimed atheists, so if you don’t believe in God and Hell, what a ridiculous statement referencing something you don’t believe in. Okay, done. Sorry for the rambling. [/b] [/quote]:)

Wow. So on top of everything else, now we have a martyr complex.

Let's repeat that statement slowly.

Christians are the ONLY group of people that are discriminated against.

This deserves a whole new thread.......

[quote]Originally posted by mbas400: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Steven Case: [b] Once again to place it on its own: Exodus 20:2; I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. God is CAPITALIZED and God is always capitalized whey referring to God the Creator of the Universe. Exodus 20:3; Thou shalt have no other gods before me. God is not CAPITALIZED, and is not capitalized when not referring to God the Creator of the Universe, as can be seen by the multiple means first century Jews and Greek had for the word [/b][/quote]The Hebrew used in the Bible, and the Torah today is written in all capitalized letters. In ancient Hebrew there were no lower case letter, nor were there vowels. :) [quote]didn't say there were capitalized letter in the original lanuage, just english [/quote]:) Both were added much, much later. So the business about God or god was added by well meaning Christians who couldn't deal with the idea that perhaps there were more than one God out there. The Hebrews lived in an age of poly-theism. It was all around them, in every culture, lead by the Egyptians. When God says, "Thou shalt have no other GODS before me," he means just that. Not Isis, Horus, Baal, or any of the other Gods that were available at that time. I always thought it funny that Christianity, with the Trinity (which some sects don't believe in - see my post on the Holy Spirit) is really a return to polytheism. Many get around it by saying "it's one God in three Parts" but if Jesus is the Son, and the Holy Spirit exists outside of both, they are three entities. But that's a whole different topic...... [/b][/quote]:) [quote] Did some more digging: Exodus 20:2-3 Verse 2: I am the LORD thy God, which have brought (8689) thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. LORD comes from “hwhy” or Y@hovah pronounced yeh-ho-vaw, and the meaning is: “the proper name of the one true God Verse 3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. gods here is the word 'elohiym which can me the true God, but also 8 other meanings, but Y@hovah can not be mistaken, it means The One True God, no other meaning. So when God is speaking he used the word Y@hovah for himself, but uses a more loose term ‘elohiym for other gods. :) [/quote]