Actually no he was a pharmicist who left a sucessful job to pastor a church. I don't attend the church, but I too have no doubts he can answer anything you can throw at him.

So who was the messianic jew who was the drug addict and miraculously cured by God (not magic)

He was the pastor of our second church in NY.

The messianic jew was our pastor when we were at the pentecostal church. Our current pastor at CC is a retired director of pharmacy for one of the major hospitals in this area. Very humble, intelligent, knowledgeable man. However, also very busy man.

We've confused you (my family has a great affinity for confusing people). Sorry. Too many churches, too little time.

Blessings,

LL

Eg Palestinian freedom?

((((((((((((((((((((Group hug)))))))))))))))))))

Seeing as how we're all getting along so peachy.

LL, in response to your PM, i wish it was a vacation. Its now 6:45am Thursday morning, I'll not be home again until Sunday night, 400kms away there is a client that must be schmoozed to ensure he keeps spending $3mil a year with us. Motels, golf, and kissing butt is not my idea of a holiday when i could be under my Jeep or even better, in the mud, but we do what we do hey!

Glad to hear it!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad it isn't a vacation. Fish told me you were going on vacation, but I guess what you said was that you were going out of your home.

Have a safe trip wherever you go.

Blessings,

LL

[quote]Originally posted by mbas400: [b] Ah, one of those mega-churches. … The mega-church pastors are so wrapped up in what they think is the truth they don't have time or desire to stop and question. It's all about what keeps those mega pews filled. [/b][/quote]Mbas: read away and you’ll see where these people are coming from: http://www.rickross.com/reference/calvary/calvary5.html [quote]Originally posted by Believer: [b] Ok so does God get angry? If you believe the Bible He does. [/b][/quote]You already know that I don't [b] [quote] I assume you believe jealousy to be an ungodly trait, yet here it is in the 1st commandment[/b][/quote]Another reason not to put much stock in the bible. Tell me, if I were to take out revenge on the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of people who annoyed me, would your God approve of that? Mine would not. [b] [quote] Then we wouldn’t really have free will would we. Somewhere back in our minds would be something ingrained to follow God at all costs. [/b][/quote]My point exactly. If God wanted reflexive butt-kissing machines, he would have made robotic clones. He gave us a noggin for a reason. We’re meant to use it and to think for ourselves. [b] [quote] Ok so 10 rules too much? Love God with all your heart, practical since He made us. Don’t take His name in vain, or use it in a curse word. Again shows respect. Respect our parents, don’t murder people, don’t get jealous of what other people have, don’t sleep with someone else’s spouse. [/b][/quote]Oh, now it’s ten. I distinctly recall another of our discussions where you said it was actually two or three. But then on other discussions you’ll point out obscure passages of the bible that specify who I can and can’t have sex with and under what circumstances. What is it going to be? The ten commandments seem reasonable enough to me, although as I mentioned earlier, I would stay away from a being that punishes people for the sins of their grandparents and great-grandparents. I don’t want to be worshipping a God whose moral standards are lower than my own. [b] [quote] While some of the laws were written for the time[/b][/quote]My point exactly. I’m not saying everything in the bible is false. There is some good stuff in there, mixed in with a lot of ancient history, folklore, and political propaganda. [b] [quote] I believe He did, but like you pointed out Satan is a liar, …. God’s message of salvation through the Jews becomes salvation to those who follow the way of the prophet Mohammed, and so on and so on. [/b][/quote]Maybe. Or maybe God’s message of salvation through Mohammed became salvation through the path of the Jews. [b] [quote] I’m not being arrogant. I’m simply stating what has been revealed to everyone who reads His word. God expects for us to submit to His will for our lives. God expects for us to respect Him, and place Him first in our lives. Those aren’t my words, they’re the 1st of the ten commandments. [/b][/quote]According to the bible, which I don’t believe in. I know plenty of people who DO believe it, and they still have a very different path than yours. Catholics, Copts and Greek Orthodox have been believing in the bible a whole lot longer than you have, and their paths are quite different. Your path is yours alone. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. [b] [quote] (12) [b]You shall not murder.[/b] ( [/b][/quote]Redneckery aside, I’m not surprised that there are different versions of the bible, but now we’re discussing translations. Who knows what was originally meant? As I said, any non-english translation of the bible I have ever seen refers simply to “killing” and not to “murder”. Any God that ever justifies war or killing is not a God I want to have anything to do with. As I mentioned before, I don’t want to worship a being with a worse temper or lower moral standards than my own. [b] [quote] That is true but we’re talking about a war where there was and has always been a clear aggressor and a clear defender. [/b][/quote]Oh, PUH-LEEEEEEZ!!!! Believer, I know you are smarter than that. How do you think Israel came into existence in 1948? They took land from, and displaced the native population that was already living there. To this day, they continue to bulldoze Arab villages and build Jewish settlements on occupied land. What do you expect those displaced Arabs to do about it? Sing a song? Seriously, does your church get its talking points directly from the Israeli information ministry? How much does that service cost? [b] [quote] Freedom always has a price, and that price is almost always life, or blood. Freedom from oppression usually comes when people are tired of being oppressed and decide to fight back eg American Revolution, Slave Revolts in history, French Revolution... Every time freedom is sought blood must be shed in order to achieve freedom. [/b][/quote]Look, Thomas Jefferson, God is all powerful, right? So if he wants us to be free of this, or free of that, he can just snap his fingers and do it, right? He doesn’t need to die for anything. How does dying help anything in this case? [b] [quote] Freedom from sin is no different. The rift formed between God, and man as a result of sin was so great, and death’s hold on the human soul was so strong that a battle had to be fought. That battle was between life and death. God had to become man, live a life of perfection, and die a sinless sacrifice in order to win the war with spiritual death. Jesus overcame sin and in doing so overcame spiritual death by being the perfect sacrifice for us. [/b][/quote]Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever to me. [b] [quote] Genesis 13:15-18 God promises the land to Abraham. Genesis 15:13-21 God promises Abraham long life, many descendants, and foretells etc, etc, etc. [/b][/quote]I don’t think you understood my question. I didn’t ask about what was promised by God in the bible, I asked where in the bible it makes reference to today’s Arab people as being their descendants. IF it does not, then how do you know that the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael or whatever his name is? [b] [quote] I agree with this statement. I think the people who make decisions have a responsibility to the ones who die as a result of their decisions, but that responsibility is not always met. [/b][/quote]Amen! the problem is when the peasants start believing in extremist religions that encourage war and death, then they become very easy to manipulate by the corrupted elites.

I'm so glad about that!

PDM....my mission in life...to make you happy and give you more threads to come up with!!!!!!

Blessings,

LL