So many questions and fingers pointing so little time. Capn the whole mixing dairy and meat thing OLD TESTAMENT, OLD COVENANT. There were some laws that were put in for SANITARY reasons. Like wash your hands in running water, you'd think people would know that one right? Except that just until a few hundred years ago doctors were still washing their hands in a basin of water. What was the result of that? Simple bacteria stayed in the water, and was passed from one patient to the next.

Jesus NEW TESTAMENT, NEW COVENANT, "It is not that which enters a mouth that defiles a body, but that which comes out of the mouth that defiles a body." In other words in God's eyes what you say can be more damaging than what you eat.

I am not a biggot, I don't hate anyone because of their sex, race, preference... I just believe that the Bible is God's word to man, and as such when He not me says no to homosexuality because it is a sin, I must agree with Him. I don't want anyone to go to hell, and neither does God. Are some people going there? You bet, am I or He happy about it? No. It's a choice that everyone has to make turn from sin towards God, and let Him heal you of those desires He calls sin or don't, and pay the consequences.

Stephtrex1:

I am truly sorry you were abused as a child--but if you believe that will keep you from going to heaven you need to look into another church. Yes one of the reasons given for God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah was sodomy--but I recently saw a great special on the National Geographic channel that found evidence for geological reasons for the destruction. What if it wasn't God--but a natural disaster--and God was blamed for what seemed in-explicable.

We have discussed on other topics the influence of economics on many social issues. Marriage (and monogamy) is another economic institution. It exists to ensure inheritance, and in rural areas procreation ensures a work force. Through the centuries alot of romantic ideas have been tied into the issue--but on a very basic level it is economics not morality that keeps marriage as an institution in place.

If you ignore the economics --sex is just sex--procreation is a result not a cause and there is no reason for it to matter what gender your partner is or how many partners you have. Homosexuality exists in the animal kingdom--very very few animals have the same partner for life-mating continues the species-but also happens because it feels good. Where is the sin?
Did God say homosexuality was an abominations--or did the early Israelite leaders say it was because they needed more people.


Frankly--based on some things I am reading --I would just as soon end up in hell with the Queer Eye guys-as in heaven with the prejudiced. Even Jesus said let you who is without sin cast the first stone.

Yeah the Sadducees tried this one too. Here's the response from Jesus Himself.
Luke 20:35 "But those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.

36 For they can't die any more, for they are like the angels, and are children of God, being children of the resurrection.

37 But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he called the Lord'The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.'

38 Now he is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all are alive to him."

Believer:

***Jesus NEW TESTAMENT, NEW COVENANT, "It is not that which enters a mouth that defiles a body, but that which comes out of the mouth that defiles a body." In other words in God's eyes what you say can be more damaging than what you eat.***

That is exactly right. And neither did Jesus ever say anything about homosexuality.

Hmmm everlasting life sounds great to me!!

4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So if God used a volcano to bring fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, does that make it any less His work? If He used a rock thrown by a boy to slay a giant, does that take away from the fact that He's God? If He used an earthquake to tumble the walls of Jerrico does that make the end result any less real for the people in Jerrico? I think not. God is God, He created the place and He can use anything at His disposal to whatever means He wants.

There's a scientist in Israel, that thinks he knows how God caused the rock to shoot water for the Israelites. He has found that some rocks have empty tunnels, and when hit just right fall apart and allow water to flow. Just because it can be explained by science doesn't mean God didn't use it.

Pulled from: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5618/CFI/family/index.htm Homosexual activists who promote same-sex “marriage” often argue that Christianity is confused on this issue because “Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.” A proper understanding of Who Jesus is and what He requires is essential for answering this misconception. Consider these facts: Jesus also never said anything directly about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are those things okay, too? Many teachings and deeds of Christ are not included in the Gospel accounts, as John writes in John 21:25. Christ did say that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh” (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9). Nothing is said about any other type of union. When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Jewish law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more” (John 8:11). He warned people not only that the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28). And he confronted the woman at the well (John 4:18) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband. If he had intended to change this longtime understanding of God’s requirements for human sexuality, He would have said so. Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of God’s wrath (Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12 and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets clearly described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality (Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood. Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, which was revealed in Matthew 16:13-20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9:18-21, John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning (John 1:1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere). So, Jesus was part of the Godhead as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:17 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15. So — the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say, “Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ is.

[quote]Originally posted by Believer: [b] Pulled from: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/5618/CFI/family/index.htm Homosexual activists who promote same-sex “marriage” often argue that Christianity is confused on this issue because “Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.” A proper understanding of Who Jesus is and what He requires is essential for answering this misconception. Consider these facts: Jesus also never said anything directly about rape, incest or domestic violence. Are those things okay, too? Many teachings and deeds of Christ are not included in the Gospel accounts, as John writes in John 21:25. Christ did say that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh” (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9). Nothing is said about any other type of union. When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Jewish law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more” (John 8:11). He warned people not only that the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28). And he confronted the woman at the well (John 4:18) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband. If he had intended to change this longtime understanding of God’s requirements for human sexuality, He would have said so. Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of God’s wrath (Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12 and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets clearly described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality (Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood. Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, which was revealed in Matthew 16:13-20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9:18-21, John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning (John 1:1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere). So, Jesus was part of the Godhead as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:17 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15. So — the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say, “Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ is. [/b][/quote]AMEN!!!

[quote]Originally posted by Believer: [b] So many questions and fingers pointing so little time. Capn the whole mixing dairy and meat thing OLD TESTAMENT, OLD COVENANT. There were some laws that were put in for SANITARY reasons. [/b][/quote]The stuff about homosexuality is also from the old testament. Maybe it was put there for reasons of public safety or hygiene, too. Dunno. I wasn’t there and neither were you. [quote] [b] I am not a biggot, I don't hate anyone because of their sex, race, preference... I just believe that the Bible is God's word to man, and as such when He not me says no to homosexuality because it is a sin, I must agree with Him. I don't want anyone to go to hell, and neither does God. Are some people going there? You bet, am I or He happy about it? No. It's a choice that everyone has to make turn from sin towards God, and let Him heal you of those desires He calls sin or don't, and pay the consequences. [/b][/quote]Hey, great. If your god says that homosexuality is bad, or eating cheeseburgers, or listening to Barry Manilow, then don’t be a homosexual, eat cheeseburgers, or listen to Barry Manilow. That’s your business. When others sin, God will presumably judge them. He doesn’t need your help. He is quite capable of handling this on His own, I’m sure. I seem to recall somewhere in the bible something about “judge not lest ye be judged.” I don’t doubt that you are not a bigot, but it surely sounds holier-than-thou to go around referring to people as abnormal or gross, generally trying to come off as though you are better than them and God likes you more. Don’t forget that you are a sinner, too. You don’t get to speak on God’s behalf. You don’t get to judge on God’s behalf, so focus on your own sins and being more Godly yourself before you start looking over your shoulders at what everybody else is or isn’t doing.

True he does not need anyone to judge or speak on his behalf. hmmm.
yet he has preachers out there as he sent Jesus out to PREACH and TEACH his word!!!