So that's good then, there will plenty of room to stretch out in heaven.

Oh wait, I'm not going there according to your definition.

Never mind.

I've read the incidence of male homosexuality is 3-6 percent of the population, with female homosexuality a bit lower.

If as the saying goes, "God doesn't make mistakes" how to account for these people? Let's say HALF of these folks "choose" the lifestyle. That's still 1.5-3 percent of the population who are gay or lesbian from birth.

I agree that "adam and eve" (man and woman) are to populate the earth. But the earth needs more than more people. It needs art and music and shelter and food, etc....maybe it's not EVERYONE's responsibility to populate the earth. And according to Wikipedia, homosexual behavior is common in the animal kingdom, though animals (other than humans)don't seem to have any trouble populating if humans don't force them into extinction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual (theories here also about how homosexuality occurs and differences in brain structure in homosexual men)

Thanks much for your post, Mrs JF.

***Another despicable story -- My sister & her partner have been raising her partner's daughters for the past 5 years, with NO help from the daughter's father. The father is against this partnership & actively speaks out against it, trying to turn the daughter's against their own mother. But, the father keeps moving to avoid paying support & bothers w/his girls when it's convenient for him. Now the despciable part is that if anything would happen to my sister's partner, HE would automatically gain custody of these 2 girls, even though my sister is the one who has been an active parent in their lives & is the one who's there every day, helping them w/their homework, talking to them about boy problems, friend problems, making them dinner, etc., etc. etc. She's going to have to get a WILL written in order to guarantee her place in their lives.***

Yes, that IS despicable. And it raises the question: what is better for a child -- to be raised by two loving same sex partners or two parents who are bitterly and violently at each others' throats all the time? Is it better to have the male-female role models even if they're toxic vs. a loving homosexual couple because they are same sex?

Now I don't HAVE kids, so maybe I'm not qualified to answer, but I know people who do, and I remember BEING a kid, so on that basis, I vote for the loving couple.

From Stephtrex: I am sorry but this is the ugly side of Christianity. All that goodness, love Jesus, do unto others - out the window. Its bread and butter ignorance and bigotry. At least we're being out in the open about it. I'll take my chances with the consequences. I hope I meet the queer eye guys in hell.

Me too. I'll finally learn how to dress.

From MBAS
I could use some new hair products. Something sweat proof for the hot temps in hell.

[quote]Originally posted by Believer: [b] Not for nothing, but you guys seem to slam me everytime I make a proffession of faith based on my belief. Hmm like um right now for instance. I wonder am I being singled out? YES! [/b][/quote]Cry me a river :rolleyes: This is a discussion forum and we discuss. Discussion means not everybody is going to agree with you. Nobody here has slammed your faith, but it seems that you rely on this bogus persecution complex as your “get out of jail free” card whenever you are caught making bigoted, ignorant or judgmental comments. [b] [quote] As for black people no that's just ignorant. You see captn a black man is still that a black MAN, they are different from white people in pigment only. [/b][/quote]I know. Gay men are also just men. What’s your point? [b] [quote]Now on to this hereditary thing. In my humble opinion, homosexuality, if indeed passed as a genetic trait, or a series of traits, by evolution's own definition would be a massive failure. Those traits or combinations of traits would die out within the generation that they manifest themselves in. [/b][/quote]I have no idea how it works. It could be a recessive gene. There are thousands of possible explanations, I don’t know. There are many things we don’t know about human sexuality. The fact that homosexuality is an inborn trait and not a choice is scientifically established, however. Yes, the urge can be repressed, but the question then is why would you want to repress it. I said earlier that if you happen to belong to a culture or sect that has taboos about it, then you would have a reason to repress it, but otherwise you wouldn’t. I’m not going to discuss whether your God thinks it’s bad or good, you know more about that than I do. It’s completely meaningless to somebody that doesn’t ascribe to your particular religion anyway. Objectively, however, smoking and drinking are self destructive behaviours. Womanizing can be destructive to your family and stable relationships, if you have these. Promiscuity can be risky, healthwise, but that risk can be mitigated through the use of prophylactics, etc. Homosexual behaviour, in and of itself, is not objectively harmful or self-destructive, so why should the people who harbor that instinct feel any more obligated to repress it than you do to repress your heterosexuality or your cravings for pizza or Diet Coke?

posted victor
I'll take my chances with the consequences. I hope I meet the queer eye guys in hell.
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-From Stephtrex:
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For one thing Opinions are like xxxx xxxxx every one got one, the point is not everyone shares it!
God put Adem and Eve on earth to be fruitfull and multiply not Adem and Steve or Eve and Liz. It is not natures way for man to be with man (or woman with woman) I feel God would not have neither at his feet rather gay man or woman. He spicificly said it in the bible. I would not set out to hurt any human, I do not hate the sinner but the sin, and as with any sin there is a choice you either live in sin or you dont! If you so choose to then you should not be ignorant to the fact that there will be consequences,
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I can honestly say that for someone (me) who lives in a small village..i have lived in large cities as well..but i must move in more free thinking circuls..the above quote by Stephtrex
i can honestly say i have never come across such hostility or bigotry..and no i'm not gay but i have gay friends and this kind of thinking makes me want to vomit....HEY Stephtrex...why not vent your anger in the Peadophile Priest Thread
Gays are adults wether its by choice or genetic design they are'nt hurting no one...and if its genetic..then did'nt god make them that way.

Believer--are you even bothering to read the links others are providing. Being attracted to the same sex is not something that they can get over--they are born that way--I fail to see how 2 men or 2 women walking down the street holding hands is more objectionable that watching 2 teenagers tickling each others tonsils as they grope each other.


Posted by Capt Haddock:

Thanks Cappy--that sums it up wonderfully--and I was having a hard time finding the words.


Something tells be we will be having alot more fun than they are in Heaven.

Honestly that is the exact reason for the destruction of sodom and gomorah, the last recorded acts of the Sodomites -- the demands for same-gender sex -- are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality
The Genesis passage is very clear, that the sin of Sodom that brought on the destruction of the city was indeed linked to homosexuality. So no I do not believe GOD made them that way. I was an sexualy abused child of a pedophile, I have no doubt in my mind that I will not be seing my Father in heaven either.