Well, I love this, so it's finally the Brit's, please don't get me wrong but who is bombing whom - are the Brits still involved?

Sure, they have 'a point', so did Mr.Schickelhuber, didn't he? Or Mr.Mugabe,. or Saddam going into Kuwait...

Undestandable, than where do these "Jews" should go off to? And who the heck gives the "Palestinians" the right to ignore a joint UN resolution - that what th UN was initially set up for, wasn't it?

Should Germany then, claim the Alsace and it's other territories back? If we start here, where to stop? Australia back into the hands of it's original population, the USA, looking further to Sth.America, Iraq, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Tibet?

I thought it has been tried Ages ago, the "Blue Helmets" have no power - what we need is waht has lately benn in discussion - a "rapid response army" under the UN-Security Councils supervison.

No, absolutely not, but also not the will of "the English", nor that of anybody else, except the directly involved parties.

And if the One colludes with the Other, or some are 'different', they all (Hezbollah, Hammas, Fatah, al Quaeda, Taleban etc.) they all going for the same course, no merci, no acceptance, not willing to give in, no compromises.

Wasn't Israel starting to clear "illegal settlement" even against the will of the settlers?

Wern't their troops again and again attacked - is it right then - because they 'shouldn't be there in the first place, but (damned) they are - could anyone beam them back to where they ever came from?

Could that be the solution? No it can't - so what?
back to the negotiating table?

Spending Millions to no avail - didn't a european Commsion made findings that Arafat "illegally" but still, used European Aid money to finance his loyal terrorist cells?

Yep, all nice guy's those people involved, they just want "their" land back....wow, makes me breathless!

Anyone aware who Arafat really was? He was like the child of Hagar, egyptian born, NOT a "Palestinian". And anyone aware of who, if it wasn't his Uncle, he was his great Mentor, the Great Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and exactly this this Guy had an Audience with Mr.Schickelhuber in Berlin 1933!

How many Terror-Attacks had the World, especially the western World to face since? What does these People have to do with it?

Aren't they just as innocent as the large bunch of Arabs who do not share or support these Fanatics?

Why did Syria train the German RAF in the 60-70ies?

The hijacking of the Lufthansa Jet which endet up in Mogadishu was rehearsed in the Bekaa Area in Syria.

What do we "owe" them?

Or should it simply be taken as "they" (the fundamentalists) proclaim what it is - a Djihad?

I think the posting by 'Believer' shows some very high significance on how and by whom this conflict is directed...

Well, so it was the peak of "the cold war" the real enemy was the USSR!

But in my opinion the fact had been overlooked that all of a sudden the 'friend' became a fow - inspired by 'their vitory' against the russians (no american rockets, no logistics, no intelligence, no victory) by then a "world power" - under different circumstances such action is also called treason!

who, by then, could have known that this world power (USSR) will collapse only two years into the future????

- then the "victorious Mudjaheddin" simply kept training volunteers from all over the place (see my post) and the next was taken on, the other remaining world power - those guys do have a agenda - their Djihad - the Caliphate - believe it or not!

Hussein, yes was supported against Iran, yes everyone 'knew' he was an evil guy, but what to do? Let the Ayatollas rule the entire far & middle east?

Why do so few western people see who is who in the middle & far east - and who has which Agenda?

Who would have concluded that he finnaly will turn against his supporters?????? Who? I say some of these guy's are simply power obsessed nutters - see his (late) sons, see Mr.Gaddhafi, see Mr.Pres. of Iran...

it's another cold war raging - as someone else posted earlier - where has the entire islamic community gone since the moores or the sarracenes - where did they got stuck in the last 500 years or so?

What would have happened if there wouldn't be any Oil..?

Maybe here is somewhere the problem embedded, inferiority complex, maybe?

Well, I think Joe said that, since the Jews have been there for half a century, it's a done deed and something needs to be resolved, but Israel was put there artificially and the Palestinians don't have a country. That simply isn't fair, surely?

Should Germany claim Alsace?
You think not?
Then why should the Jews have claim to 'Israel'?

What do you think would happen if another country, or even the UN, confiscated Alsace and told France that, henceforth, it would belong to the Germans?

It's not even as if Palestine exists for its own people. Why should Palestinians be restricted in their own land by Israel?

Well... it looks like they are asking for it relentlessly - or better, they allow people to take on their agenda - for some political reason - why was "the West Bank" called "West Jordan Land"?

What is Irans and Syrias Agenda?

Why there are "Palestinians" since there is the State of Israel?

There is an very intersting Artikel from "Walid Dschumblatt" (no Idea how this would be spelled in English) about the Lebanon Crisis... it is not a mainstraem paper..

Hezbollah is Shia orientated - so is Iran - they are the ones who supply the lebanon Hezbolla with waepons... they are the ones who are responsible for the onslaught....they wanted Israel to make the move - could be the downfall of the state of Israel - but would this all these people who see this State as their Homeland - let happen - I don't think so...


Why I mentioned Alsace was - is that I see it as fruitless to go back and say: "Hey, if....!" Besides Israel does and would do a lot of good for the entire region - maybe thats what ios a factor as well - wrong pride....

Thanks Joe, I get your point - think we are holding a rather similar point of view - in fact it is a highly twisted and complicated situation - because it is goin' on for such a long time - maybe since biblical times....and I have my (profounded) doubts that this conflict will ever come to rest.

Unless the supporting Powers (Mainly Iran and Syria), stop their support or their support can be stopped.

There are already plans to seal the syrian border! Remember years ago Israel confiscated the load of an iranian merchant ship - loaded with weapons - ammunition - rockets - the lot - the largest haul they ever laid their hands on?

Concerning "the Agenda" I am 100% certain that some Powers "to be" are working on this for some time by now.

Much of the muslim Community is at 'rest', but one should not overlook the fact that it is a prophecy to be fulfilled by the Umma (muslim community) to errect the caliphate (the worldwide Umma) than the Prophet will return - so it is 'their' agenda!

I am far from branding the general community, but saying it is there in their belief...however.

After all I don't care, if the worldcouncil one day will be of christian, muslim, hindu, jain, buddhist, taoist or agnostic origin.

However, I think it is a very, sad situation right now, my thoughts and feelings go out to the hundreds and thousands affected by this blind madness.

Having lived in muslim communities, travelled within muslim communities frequently and having some frinds from the muslim community. I can frankly say that many, many aren't thinking that "the West" is branding all of them as terrorist'
s - they are too well aware of the situation and none of the people treading the 'ordinary way of life' has anything against "the West". But do have their point of view - about injustices, politics, Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, many of them think that it couldn't have gone on and that changes are necessary - the way it happened, changes have come forth, might not always have been the best solution for everyone concerned - but then who is to make always the right, just and perfect decision - like "the English" so many, many years ago!

Who is able to foresee what a dicision, made today, will bear in a couple of years.

Besides wern't it "the English" who actually 'promised' the Arabs their Caliphate - do you know anything about this?

But the incision int to this 'gand plan' was the founding of the State of Israel - a deep cut right into their most sacred dreams.... some can live with this - some refuse right out for ever.

I always suspected this building thing was a hoax.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=109072

why?

Some reading on the subject:

'Evidence Mounts that Kana "Massacre" Was a Fake'
16:05 Aug 03, '06 / 9 Av 5766
by Hillel Fendel
israelnationalnews.com

'The world awoke Sunday to the news that an Israeli airstrike killed 57 Lebanese civilians, leading Israel to stop airstrikes for 2 days - but evidence indicates the "massacre" may have been a fraud.'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=109072

Was Qana A Hoax?
http://partisantimes.typepad.com/partisan_times/2006/07/was_qana_a_hoax.html

Rightwingers See Qana Massacre As Hoax
http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/08/rightwingers-see-qana-massacre-as-hoax.html

Qana bombs an Israeli 'war crime'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5232434.stm

Israeli regret over Qana bombing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5241636.stm