I believe that the whole mess within the middle east is a man made mess. It is not unusual for mankind to use God as a basis for their actions or to justify their actions. I believe some have gotten so lost in their religious zeal that they have lost sight of reason (or maybe they just don't care about reason).

If it was truly the one and true God that created the universe and all in it, that aid that particular land is theirs, why would they have to fight for it. The Ultime God's will is undeniable and ultimate. They fight for their own cause not God's. God doesn't need guns and bombs and the such to exact his will. [Almost like tithes. Does the God who created the suns and planets really need your money, 'Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and give unto God what is God's]

Just another case of mankind using God to their own ends.

That's what it seems these "Religions" exist for, what else to say?

But it's THE ULTIMATE excuse!

We are quite some (un)-funny bunch of creatures... aren't we?

Isn't this your God, too, mbas?

you believe the middle east crisis is man made? well, duh - i thought the goats were to blame. the middle east will keep boiling away while everybody tries to excuse themselves with ancient texts. you seem the spiritual apartheid thread - well, this is where entrenched opposing religious views lead. i hope they all eveaporate each other soon so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

Is this your response to the comment by Infiniteprocess?

'I believe that the whole mess within the middle east is a man made mess.'

For my part, I was just attempting to respond to Captain Haddock's response to you in the context of how I read it.

As you must have seen, I said that it wasn't acceptable to call anyone 'hateful'. However, I think that it was meant less as a direct insult than as a parallel response.

I told Janimal that I didn't think that two wrongs made a right and that, while I thought Israel's response was disproportionate, I hated to hear of Israeli civilians being killed, too.

You stated:
'If Israel bombs the xxxx out of the entire middle east it is well deserved.'

You must have known that it would receive a response and possibly a negative one, because you continued:

'There I said it. Go ahead the rest of you and call me an uncaring Christian. Judge me for making the statement I just did.'

If people believe that bombing civilians is 'hateful' ~ as you seemed to, in an earlier post, then you must see the logic of this description?

I am not suggesting that you have hurt people or that you are a hateful person or that you have insulted anyone on the forum, but I do think that it is wrong to support the slaughter of innocent children, just as I thought that it was wrong to attack the twin towers or the Madrid railways or the London Underground, or the Birmingham pubs.

Terrorism, murder, hatred are all evil, I don't think that we can say that a bad deed committed by one person is less or more hateful than the same bad deed carried out by another.

'When someone speaks ill of Israel, my blood boils.' [LordsLady]

Why?
Why, if they are doing wrong?
What is now happening is more slaughter of 'Amalekite babies'.

I don't deny what some others have said, that, given the chance, the neighbours of Israel might do the same to them. I just don't know.

What I do know is that Israel is slaughtering innocent peasants and doing so from a country that was simply taken from its inhabitants. No wonder there is hatred.

well when you're talkin war the question of cosmic causality is irrelevant. war is man made. nothing to do with god. often excused by religion, but only by those too weak to have their own opinions and reasons. to weak to say i'm shooting him because i hate his guts and want his land rahter than i'm smiting the infidel. it always looks like a loftier cause than greed, but not very convincing.

Waht should one make out of the general view from the radical section. that they see themselves as believers and followers of the Lords will and everyone else is an infidel and just the same as dogs and pigs...????????????????????


How well are these children of god trained - question remains: "What god might that be?"

It's not about Land, Customs, People, Differences it is about ignorance, indoctrinated stupidity, fanticised madness...

ah well.. and then this won't stop the palnets to rotate..

Certainly seems that way. This is not a God who deserves praise and worship.

Is that God's love too?

Maybe God can make a drug addict feel good about himself, but that same God (if there's only one) takes his creations and pits them against each other constantly.

Yep, this is my God, too. How awful that the Christians can't admit to it too.

Their God is one of "peace and love" with nothing whatsoever to do with war, hate, murder and conflict.

A question:

Since when is "hateful" a swear word?

When someone advocates killing thousands of people they've never even met, I'd say hateful is the appropriate description.

How else could one possibly refer to that?

Is there a politically correct term?

Maybe I'll stick to compassion challenged in future.