[quote]Originally posted by Believer: [b] http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%252C+says+Muslim/article.do "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life." "Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."[/quote][/b] The fallacy here, common in the Western press, is to take whoever talks the craziest, most sensational xxxx and try to paint them as a “Muslim leader.” Leader of what? Leader of whom? How many followers does he have? I doubt the Muslims I know would claim that man as their leader. We could just as easily take this guy: [url=http://www.godhatesfags.com]www.godhatesfags.com[/url] and say he is a “Christian Leader”. Or how about Pat Robertson, who openly calls for the assassination of foreign heads of state: is he a Christian leader? [quote][b] In my opinion there's just no winning. Even if we pulled out of Iraq, abandoned, Israel, and pulled all of our troops out of every part of the world, the US would still be at fault. Instead of being accused of meddling, we'd be accused of not doing enough, or being greedy.[/quote][/b] Maybe the extremists will still think this way. There will always be extremists. They won’t go away. The important thing is to marginalize them and reduce the appeal of their message so their ranks will remain small. [quote][b]When all is said and done that's why we're even in the middle east. Oil, they have it, we need it, and we've killed and died for it. To me it's just too much. I'd rather buy a diesel, and run my car on corn oil, and recycled french fry oil. [/b][/quote]I think there’s more to it than oil, but we’ll leave that one for another day.

from the source by believer :

Anjem Choudary said those who insulted Islam would be "subject to capital punishment".

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The 39-year-old lawyer organised

demonstrations against the publication of cartoons of Mohammed in February in Denmark. Protesters carried placards declaring "Behead Those Who Insult Islam".

Yesterday he said: "The Muslims take their religion very seriously and non-Muslims must appreciate that and that must also understand that there may be serious consequences if you insult Islam and the prophet.

"Whoever insults the message of Mohammed is going to be subject to capital punishment."

He added: "I am here have a peaceful demonstration. But there may be people in Italy or other parts of the world who would carry that out.

"I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam."

As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah"

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Iraqi jihadists issued a video of a scimitar slicing a cross in two, intercut with images of Benedict and the burning Twin Towers.

The website run in the name of the Mujahedeen Army, used by extremist groups who have claimed responsibility for attacks in Iraq, was addressed to "You dog of Rome" and threatened to "shake your thrones and break your crosses in your home".

In a reference to suicide bombing, it said: "We swear to God to send you people who adore death as much as you adore life."

When are these people going to apologise ?

PDM, are you watching "cult of the suicide bombers" on channel 4 now ?

They won't because they don't feel they have to. It's we who need to appologize for not believing as they do, and making fun of their prophet. In order to appologize you must first feel that you are wrong, and then feel remorse, obviously it's us who are wrong, and us who deserve the suicide bombers, the kamakazi pilots, the nerve gas, and car bombs, and anything else they can throw at us.

I had this conversation with my 7 year old yesterday. She kept doing things, saying sorry, only to do them again. I explained that the word sorry is a really simple way of saying, "I know I did something wrong, and I will try my hardest not to do it again." Unfortunatly terrorists don't see their actions as wrong, so why say sorry?

Oh and as for Pat Robertson, and GodHatesFags, again, they live with blinders and feel that nothing that they say or do is wrong, so why say sorry? It's the other Christians who usually end up appologizing for their stupidity.

Furthermore there are several Christians who have tried to distance themselves from these people, and have done all they can to denounce the hate. Here we have Islamic activists saying that the hate is ok, and warning people to watch what they say or loose their heads for saying it.

So instead of opposing the militants and saying, "Hey Mr. Pope your statements were out of line, I for one don't agree with militant Islam, and would love nothing more than to sit down and discuss this like adults." We get "I think that warning needs to be understood by all people who want to insult Islam and want to insult the prophet of Islam."

If non-militant muslims really wanted to make a difference they'd find a way to turn in the nut jobs and help solve the problem, not sit by queitly and watch the bloodshed.

Missed it! I wish I'd known about that.

I think we actually get both.

No-one gets more angry than I do when I see placards encouraging murder, but not all Moslems carry them or even agree with them.

Wouldn't it be helpful, though, to ask ourselves what 'we' might have done to make even some reasonable Moslems want to give passive support to the extremists?

I think that these things should be addressed.

For example ~

~ I have heard that some devout Moslems are upset by some of the vulgarity, etc, available on TV in the West. My response to that is ~ I'm not always keen on it, myself, but it's usually fairly harmless and certainly is no excuse for violence. However. if you don't want to live in a country where the culture offends, then live somewhere where you feel more comfortable.

~ I understand that many Moslems are upset at the support that the West gives to Israel, while Palestinians don't have their own country. And, of course, they are angry at the way the USA & UK went into Iraq. Do they have good reason? (Many British 'white' people were against this Iraq war, after all.)

~ I think that there may be the long-term 'racism' issue, too.

It's only by acknowledging what 'we' might have done 'wrong' that we can have dialogue with others. Otherwise, how can we point out their wrongs & expect them to be acknowledged in return?

Well ok I don't like the vulgarity on TV either. I don't like the fact that I have to block certain channels to keep my kids from listening and viewing that xxxx, but hey I'm not about to blow up Cartoon Network, because one of their characters said damn.

I can see why us invading Iraq has xxxxxx them off, but 9-11 happened before we invaded Iraq. In fact if we hadn't sold Osama weapons to help them get Russia out of there they'd still be throwing rocks at Russian tanks.

Do we defend Israel? Yes we do. We supply them weapons, like the ones we supplied to others in the Middle East. We've given them moral support, and financial support, like we've done to others world wide. The problem is they waged war on Israel and lost even without our helping Israel.

Either way pre 9-11 there were no valid reasons for the attacks. The only reason was hatred of a non Muslim region, and the desire to spread more hatred, and terror.

What did we do to deserve the first WTC attack? Or the several hijackings that happened in the 70's? Were we evil to help the Somalis from getting slaughtered by their own government because their skin color was just not right?

Were we evil for jumping in when Kuait was under attack by Saddam? They asked for help, should we have said "No, you deal with it"?

I'm sorry their pathetic justification for killing civilians doesn't cut the mustard with me.

I found an interesting article from 'NewsWeek' that you might wish to read. Here are some quotes: From 'A Pope’s Holy War' ~ 'By quoting a 14th-century Christian emperor on an ‘evil and inhuman’ Islam, Benedict XVI ignites a global storm. What was he thinking?' 'Benedict XVI .. in the .. University of Regensburg ..reminisced about his teaching days at the University of Bonn. “There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers, philologists ...” ... 'Citing a conversation between a 14th-century Christian Byzantine emperor and an Islamic Persian, Benedict quoted Manuel II: “‘Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.’” 'Within days Benedict found the globe engaged in a “lively exchange,” but it was not, one suspects, the exchange the pope had in mind.' 'The Vatican soon issued a grandly titled “Declaration Concerning Pope’s Regensburg Address.” “It was certainly not the intention of the Holy Father to undertake a comprehensive study of the jihad and of Muslim ideas on the subject, still less to offend the sensibilities of the Muslim faithful,” ' 'Much of the Regensburg address was a meditation on faith and reason, the roots of religiously inspired violence and the need for believers to see God as a figure of love.' 'For the pope, the Christian encounter with the classical world married faith and reason and thereby precluded, in principle, such misunderstandings of the nature of the God of Abraham, a nature that is, according to this argument, rooted in love and reason, not the will to dominance.' 'Then why did Benedict quote the emperor in the first place? The most likely answer is that, no matter what the Vatican says now, the pope believes in having .. “a hard-headed conversation” about the role of faith in the life of the world. “He knew exactly what he was doing,” says Weigel. “He is saying that irrational violence is displeasing to God. The question Benedict is putting on the table is: ‘Does a significant part of Islam have the capacity to be self-critical?’ ”' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14866559/site/newsweek/?GT1=8506 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14866559/site/newsweek/page/2/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14866559/site/newsweek/page/3/