No. I'm not even sure that what Adam and Eve are said to have done is sin in my eyes. And I'm not even sure that it is in God's eyes, even though the Biblical writers have so indicated.

I speak for myself, alone - not for Christianity or for any group of Christians.

a) you do find homosexuals sinful
b) The Bible in the Old Covenant says it is a sin.
c) The Bible also says eating pork is a sin.
d) You believe that Jesus is the New Covenant, allowing you not to follow the Mosaic law.
e) Jesus nowhere condems homosexuals as sinful.
f) You're making this up as you go, choosing which parts of the Bible to follow and which parts to ignore as it suits your purpose.

No, I didn't miss it; I said that this was wrong. I don't think it is a matter of opinion, in this case we are not debating issues, we are talking facts. Homosexuals are born as they are. They do not choose to be as they are.

It may be a matter of opinion whether or not homosexuality is sinful ~ that's another matter. Personally I cannot consider anything that is natural and harmless to be a sin, and I find it very offensive when I hear other people make such statements. It's akin to condemning someone for the colour of their hair or skin or eyes. To me, that is the sin.

You agree that Jesus did not condemn homosexuality.
Why do you condemn it?

because she is following the church of paul, which has little to do with jesus.

As far as I know even Paul didn't condemn homosexuality.

Thanks Carl...you are always honest and considerate of others opinions and I know you don't speak for all Christians. Neither do I. My opinions and beliefs are my own.

mbas....Jesus did not address alot of things. Believe as you wish.

PDM...again, MY OPINION. I believe homosexuality is a lifestyle choice just like smoking, alcoholism, adultery, substance abuse, pornography, etc. What proof do you have it isn't? Would it be the same "scientific proof" that tells you the bible cannot be true? At no time did I say Jesus did not condemn homosexuality. I said he did not address it. He did not address alot of issues. I don't consider homosexuality more sinful than any other sin.

These topics are subject to interpretation by each one of us. None of us have definitive proof that anything we state is true. We only have what we believe and our opinions.

Blessings,

LL

We're not looking for proof here.

We're looking for scriptural reference.

You "say" you follow Jesus, but you have no trouble creating "sin" where you want to see it.

So you are really are making up your faith as you go.

Some parts of the bible you adhere to, some you ignore, as it suits your purpose.

As to whether there is proof of the addiction of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, you need look no further than your own home.

Is your son's drug habit a choice? Would anyone, knowing what they know about it, choose to live like that? Choice is gone when addiction begins. That's called science. I know you don't believe in it, but proof is there if you look to something other than your bible for guidance once in a while.

You said your son beat drugs once. My father beat drugs too and he's been clean for nearly 20 years. Your son hasn't -- yet. But don't keep denying the fact that his addiction isn't a choice any more.

Paul says in Romans 1:26-27 that “Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.”

Yes, my son's drug habit is a choice. Where exactly did I state it wasn't? Why does he choose to live like that? Only he knows. I can sleep at night knowing I did not make that decision for him. I am very happy your father beat drugs. Some people have more strength than others to do so.

Are you now the appointed judge of my home?

I believe in science to some degree. But scienctists have been proven wrong as well. I don't place my faith on scientist.

I know you don't believe as I do, but I would never presume to know what goes on in your home. I have shared about my son as a means of showing you the strength in prayer and faith.
Fish and I have been more than supportive of our son. We certainly don't need you to tell us what goes on in our home. We live it daily.

Again, no one has proof of anything....do we?

Blessings,

LL

A character in a Nora Roberts's crime mystery is a psychiatrist and a priest. He comments that a student at the seminary where he lectures had noted that if one went by the scriptures about the spilling of seed upon the ground, it would only be sin for a male. [Nora Roberts, Sacred Sins ]