In order to be protected from my sins ...
~ I have to place my whole life and trust in a belief that Jesus was Son of God & God ~ yet there is no real evidence that he was; [PDM]
Yet, all those before us that did so, according to you, are fools apparently & illogical.
I haven't called anyone a fool; I am stating a fact ~ there is no evidence, other than the Bible, which is self-evidently biased, that Jesus was / is God or Son of God.
~ I have to believe, not just that God exists, but that God is as described by an ancient Middle Eastern tribe;[PDM]
I think there's a deeper part of you, just from the sound of your posts that you do believe that some form of God exists. It may not be as the Israelites described, but is there some nagging feeling that God does exist?
I have never said that I was an atheist.
I am agnostic ~ that is quite different.
I don't know whether God exists or not.
Atheists can be as strong in their beliefs as Believers.
There is much that we cannot comprehend about 'life, the universe and everything'. There is evidence for the supernatural & if it is true, then there must be the possibility of God. So I am not discounting the existence of God & never have done.
I have often said that there may well be a God but that I do not know what God is or what God wants or anything else about God.
Have a look here:
What if I have a Message from God?http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=137495&page=12#Post137495
~ I have to believe in a loving creator God who tortures and slaughters his creation.[PDM]
If you were an inventor & you created something that turned out to be evil at its core, would you destroy it & start fresh?
I don't think that humanity is evil at its core.
I might break up a Lego model that didn't work, but these are human beings we are talking about ~ supposedly created in God's image. How can something created in God's image be 'evil at its core'? ~ Unless God was 'evil at its core'?
If I had a child, would I torture & kill it?
Only if I had severe problems or was a very evil person.
I would be put into a secure unit either way.
I would not be praised, except by people with some kind of disorder.
That is why I cannot understand decent rational Christians believing that the torment of Job and the slaughter of the Amalekite children were the work of God.
~ I have to believe that this God does exactly the same things as some other gods, but that he is real and they are not - with no proof of this whatsoever.[PDM]
Do you have trust in anything that doesn't require proof? Anything at all?
Not sure ~ nothing this important.
~ I have to believe that I am a sinner ~ not just acknowledge, as I do, that I make mistakes and do the wrong thing, but that I am equal in sin to murderers and rapists!!!
Be careful w/thinking that you're better than someone else b/c of what they did vs what you didn't do.
Generally, I don't think that I am better than anyone, but I'm sorry, I don't include murderers, rapists, paedophiles, etc, in that.
I think that you are better than a murderer and a rapist. Doesn't God? Don't you? Really!?
~ I have to stop taking full responsibility for my wrongs, because, if I believe, then I will 'know' that God / Jesus will wash away my sins.[PDM]
Who says that we don't take 'full responsibility' for our wrongs? There is accountability & consequences for every action we take.
So, how does that work, if Jesus washes away sin?
~ I have to want to be in Heaven, while my loved-ones, who are not believers, are burning or rotting in hell. What a selfish & evil thought that would be![PDM]
Who says that we're not going to grieve for the souls that were lost? Why go through the trouble of "witnessing" at all if we didn't care?
Yet Christians think that it's OK for people to suffer eternal damnation. Christians worship a God, who lets his 'children' rot or burn through all eternity.
Heaven Spoilt By Hellhttp://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=137229&page=1#Post137229
What kind of vengeful parent would punish a child for so long and with such hatred?
What kind of God would behave like this?
Why would anyone think that this was good?
I don't understand. Some parents might, indeed, disown a child who turned out to be a rapist or murderer, while some would stand by him, and I can empathise with both views, but the rapists and murderers are no worse than you or I, apparently, so there is no argumenmt there.
It's just punishment for not being able to believe in something that there is no evidence for, but which we are supposed to worship.
I just cannot follow that.
I think we might be getting slightly off-topic in some of these areas, but basically, if we are 'sinners' then we probably are made in God's image, because he breaks his own commandments ~ though the sins he supposedly commits, according to the Bible, are far worse than anything that I could even contemplate, never mind carry out.
Can God Be Wrong? Can God Do Wrong? http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=181758&page=0&fpart=1