If agnostic means you don't know than isn't everyone agnostic, even the strongst believers have questions, except perhaps small children they accept things blindly more or less.

Yes, I think you are right CM. But some feel that to question and doubt undermine their faith, and is sin. Therefore, they try to eliminate that doubt, by sheer force of will, or by praying that God remove it, or by auto-hypnotic methods (focusing on rote things, for example).

Also, as I said in another thread, even disbelief can be like a religion. If one focuses and refuses to even speculate on the possibility of God (atheism, for example), then one is also closing off an important part of life, IMO.

I have a belief in God - and a faith. And yet, I am an agnostic, at heart. My belief is not the same as others have, but why should that matter to others? [unless they feel that their salvation depends upon showing me the error of my ways?]

Yes, indeed!

And yes again!

Perhaps like I said I am not the best Roman Catholic example , I find other religions or non can quote the bible back and forth, I can't quote any of it .But i don't think that should be important to God. Basically the main point to dumb it right down is to do unto others as you would like to be treated and to love thy neighbour I think RC or Baptist or Athiest you can live your life like that and since God loves everyone, and only God can judge (although everyone loves judging everyone else esp. some Rc's I know) anyone who tries to be a good person and do good things be their best can't possibly be sent to hell baptized or not it doesn't make sense.Plus then it would be way too crowded.
I know I don't sound very smart maybe my view of religion is childlike so be it.
I did hear a cute joke though. In heaven there are appartment buildings for everyone and all the Buddhists are in one , the Protestants in another, the Catholics in another but the Catholic building doesn't have any windows. Why? So they can't see who else is up there with them.lol

.....since God loves everyone, and only God can judge (although everyone loves judging everyone else esp. some Rc's I know) anyone who tries to be a good person and do good things be their best can't possibly be sent to hell baptized or not it doesn't make sense.

*Sigh*.

I think that's what Jesus said, to be honest.

But that isn't what the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

I used to be a Catholic, once. But in my view, the Church has nothing to do with God and everything to do with man.

That's just my view, though.

Well the church is made up of people and it's a good ole boys club too.. but alas people are flawed.

As the old saying (or joke?) goes, find a (so-called) perfect church, and I join - right away, it's not perfect any more.

But, seriously, would we be human if we had no flaws?

When I've trained and taught people in retail and cash register work, I've always tended to distrust those who are fast and seeminly perfect. The ones who deliberately slow down to be attentive to others and double-check themselves on accuracy and are willing to learn are better, in the long run.

Maybe we're better than our "rep." Our Mothers love us, for the most part. And I'd bet that our creator, if we were in fact created, loves us.

I think so we get a bad rap but so does God, I hear people all the time saying if God loves us why does he make war, crime etc. Firstly as if I know just cos Im a catholic do they think I have some sorta hotline??!! But noone really asks why do we let there be war etc.

You had to teach cashiers may God bless you lol u should read my pet peeve on the budgie forums I was a cashier for 10 years.

Where do I read about your pet peeve? Can you just tell me here?

Not saying the fast ones are dishonest, by the way. Just that by being so sure of themselves, I think they open themselves up to mistakes.

I've done lots of different things. Jack of several trades, I guess.

Guess we better watch ourselves as we may be getting too far from the original topic.

Not that nichols_v owns the thread, but PDM expects us to mostly keep on topic.

Good to talk with you, though, CM.