I'm going to quote something from the 'Romance' section here and see what you think:






http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=198050#Post198050

You never cease to amaze me, PDM, with your intelligence and sense of practicality. I quite agree on all your points.

Perhaps we'll hear from some of them - the ones who are able to separate the different approaches to sex, the ones who have a less relaxed view of sex, and the ones who consider sex or even talking about sex "awkward, embarrassing, dirty, wrong..." - even "sinful."

I would hope that all of them however - who are not predators, are in favor of sexual responsibility.

On the post about getting "laid TODAY" - which I quite agree is not an attitude which shows respect for females, I and many men I know are offended by that statement that all men feel that way.

True that men like sex. Not true that all men think of females as sex objects.

As a matter of fact, I think it would be great if the young men who are empathetic and open and care about how the opposite sex feel are accepted by the young women as possible dates and spouses. Just as some girls feel so utterly rejected when they are treated as "wallflowers" at the dance, so many young men feel who are not the dashing, racy, "macho" kind of guys.

These guys are often told that they are "nice" - which most guys know is the kiss of death as far as having a relationship with the guy. And while there are, I admit, many dashing, racy, "macho" guys who are caring also and good for relationships, there are also quite a lot of guys who are going to treat the female (and the relationship) quite badly. And most guys know who they are. And the females that they are "hitting on" would never listen to any advice on that score.

I think our society pushes too much the concept of the "handsome" and "beautiful." Beauty is indeed more than skin deep.

And being male or female is much more complex than the parodies of definitions that we see in books, film, and media.

Definitely ~ I agree, of course.

Absolutely ~ I agree again!

Well that is sad, sad book, everyone can say what they want but how small this writer must have felt to have to write that and how did they inflate their ego to be able to justify saying ...

Sounds predatorial. No offense to men but I think (I sure hope) more women than less would see through a such a fake ruse. "Woman's intuition" I firmly believe it is a real thing.

PDM= BTW that is crazy , I guess the mom didn't want to face the truth but wouldn't you as a parent have to step in for the health and welfare of your child and the inncocent one.

It does sound predatorial, doesn't it? The kind who like to brag in the locker room and keep score. Who like to save mementos and probably are deeply insecure about how to have a real relationship with a woman.

They're probably also the kind who would fail any test about the physiology of a woman.

I believe in woman's intuition, also, CM. But, no offense to women, I think some women also are insecure and perhaps think that this type of interaction is better than none, or even what they deserve. I disagree. NO woman deserves that kind of disrespect.

Oh absolutly Carl, I know a few women who would rather date any one than have to say they are single.
But I sure hope most women see thru it.

If really worked that well the books would be making headlines, no?

Males, also, would do well to seek advice from key women in their families about females they are interested in. Unfortunately, few do, and few would listen to advice that went counter to what their "heat seeking missile" (as my wife calls it) was trying to home in on.