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#201092 - 07/21/07 06:51 PM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: LordsLady]
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I will pray that God leads you to the ministry that you both would have a passion for. Wouldn't that be awesome?

In October, my wife, Marge and I are invited to a Gay and Lesbian event in Tampa that my daughter from California will be attending. A couple of years ago, I wrote a piece for what was called something like Footprints or Paws, where different authors and others of what they call The Family, and their friends, read from some work of theirs. My daughter read mine.

Marge and I attended several events with her when Marge was a travel nurse in California in 2003. Most of The Family are amazed when kin of Gays and Lesbians are openly supportive of them.

I'm thinking of writing a piece to take with me, wherein I discuss how and why my position has changed over the years. Not that I ever have been homophobic or judgmental.
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#201099 - 07/21/07 06:59 PM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: Carl]
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Thanks....that would be awesome. Please if you don't mind, share with me at least whatever you write. I too have never been homophobic. My husband's cousin is a Lesbian and she and I have an awesome relationship. She lives near us now and we have been helping each other out by taking care of our elderly parents. Her mom who is Mike's aunt lives with her and she too needs to have supervision since she tends to fall alot. She has been very blessed that she has never fractured anything each time she falls. My mom fractures everytime she falls. Anyway, I would be interested in reading what you write if you don't mind sharing.

Blessings,

Emilie

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#201209 - 07/22/07 12:28 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: LordsLady]
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Many Christians engage in sexual relations, and only think of it as sin if it is in adultery, or hurting another. Why should love be considered a sin?

You tell me that God says so, but I cannot believe that.


Actually most Christians I'd say see sexual relations as wrong if it's pre/extra-marital, polygamous, homoxeual, "perverse," and really a lot of other things. Many which aren't completely biblical, but that's beside the point. Love isn't a sin. I try to stray away from saying what's sin and what's not, but I fall into it still, many times. I don't believe we're measured by the letter of the law any longer but by our love.

However, I can't believe something contrary to the scriptures. If anything, it's what I stick to. And apparently homosexuality is not a sin but unnatural and despised as a practice. I don't see it anywhere as God's purpose for mankind, or anything He smiles upon. I know people then say "how can God hate a love between two people?" then making the connection that therefore, God makes love a sin. But many people have done things in the name of "love" including chopping up their wife and putting her in the freezer, or killing their children to spare them from the pain of life or potential "hell." Perhaps it can then be said that "homosexuality hurts no one," I'd say it hurts them.

Not a welcomed view point, but I'm trying to do that whole stand by my beliefs instead of walking the line that I was suggested against.

Forgive my grammar, it's real bad right now. I'm a little rusty, it'll clear up once I have my computer back and running.
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#201210 - 07/22/07 01:05 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: Niki]
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My point was that most people engage in sexual relations - even Christians. And it is true that some Christians feel any sex is wrong and evil. But they do it anyway. And more Christians feel that it is okay between committed adults. If it's a sin, they feel, then it is no more so than going five miles over the speed limit.

Some Christians are homosexuals and have desires like everyone else. Why condemn them for the same thing that heterosexuals feel and do? If it's a sin, why is it more so than for the heterosexual?

And why is sex that harms nobody a sin, anyway?

Niki, you said the homosexuality hurts them. Does heterosexuality hurt the heterosexual? Would a person have to renounce sex altogether in order to be "good?"

I think the "abomination" of sins should be hate. IMO there is far too much hate of anyone deemed different.

And each of us is different. God forbid that we ever have to pretend to be alike in order to "fit in" and not be attacked or judged.


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#201213 - 07/22/07 06:23 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: Carl]
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to say that homosexuality hurts those who practise it is deeply patronising and pretty ignortant, isn't it?
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#201219 - 07/22/07 09:23 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: janimal]
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#201220 - 07/22/07 09:25 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: janimal]
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Originally Posted By: janimal
to say that homosexuality hurts those who practise it is deeply patronising and pretty ignortant, isn't it?


Yes it is ~ and rude, unfeeling, hurtful and generally very unpleasant.
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#201224 - 07/22/07 09:56 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: PDM]
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Any sin hurts the person themselves. However, as believers, we must show love to everyone, that includes homosexuals. I went to school with a homosexual young man and he was one of my best friends. He took alot of abuse from others in the school.
Myself and one other person were his only friends.

Jesus never put down the person themself, but rather whatever sin they were involved in. He loved them no matter what and died for them no matter what. God does not distinguish one sin from another. I don't believe homosexuality hurts a person more than any other relationship would. Heterosexuals have their own set of problems and are hurt just as often. As believers, we must stop segregating homosexuals as more sinful than others. We must become more accepting of everyone.

As I said before, I have at least three people in my family (includes my husband's family) who are Gay. I get along with all of them and love them dearly. I don't judge them nor ridicule them for their lifestyle. That is between them and God, just as the sins we commit daily are between us and God.

Blessings,

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#201228 - 07/22/07 10:52 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By: Carl
My point was that most people engage in sexual relations - even Christians. And it is true that some Christians feel any sex is wrong and evil. ....
Some Christians are homosexuals and have desires like everyone else. Why condemn them for the same thing that heterosexuals feel and do? If it's a sin, why is it more so than for the heterosexual?

And why is sex that harms nobody a sin, anyway?

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Well it isn't, is it?

Yes, there are indeed people who find the idea of some heterosexual practices unpleasant and so I can understand people finding the idea of some homosexual ptactices unpleasant.

But is it sinful?

Without sex there would be no more children. 'God's creation' would come to an end.

So sex isn't a sin ~ it can't be.

You cannot just condemn it because it isn't something that appeals to you. On that basis you cannot condemn homosexuality either.

Now, as for condemning it because of the Bible ~ there are so many sins listed in the Bible that we wouldn't know where to start. But it's not in the 'Ten Commandments' and it's not against Jesus's one commandment ~ love one another.
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#201233 - 07/22/07 11:04 AM Re: Lesbians in the Church [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By: Carl
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Sometimes I think the "taking the Lord's name in vain" applies the most when people decide what excludes them from God's love, and allows them to rationalize "banning" them from their church (not God's church, by the way, because they are not really in charge of that).


Interesting point ~ ideal for a new thread:

Taking the Lord's Name in Vain
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=201232&page=0#Post201232

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