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#298568 - 06/05/08 09:35 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for diner [Re: BLR]
Samiya Offline
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Registered: 01/21/08
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i eat eggs, but the ARE NOT FRETLE!!!!

i refuse to eat anything with eggs, unless it is proven that the eggs are free range.
and i have my own chickens, which are pets. and are free range.

btw, veggies don't have feelings!
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#298609 - 06/05/08 10:16 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for diner [Re: Samiya]
Darkness Offline
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Registered: 05/26/08
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I think for someone like me and my children, we need meat. Certain vitamins that I can not get from pills I need from the meat. We have several blood disorders that require iron. But not in the amount that I would get from a pill. Actually vitamin pills hurt me and my children so I have to find ways to get our nutrients from food items and just eating veggies won't do it. I tried that and I nearly died. I don't know which view is right or wrong, I think it's mostly what is up to that person and their own body. I think the problem with any debates that deal with what we do with our bodies is that people on both sides wants to make a person change and that's not a good thing to do.

Whether or not we eat meat or not, is up to us as is everything else we do in this world. You know, that whole "free will" thing. For me however, eating meats is something I need to do so I don't keel over. Don't have time to be doing that.
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#298612 - 06/05/08 10:23 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for diner [Re: Darkness]
428pm Offline
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Registered: 04/30/08
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nope. i don't we all have to eat something that's alive, even plants are living. It's nature. I don't eat Turkey or beef cuz it tastes nasty, that's the only reason. I feel no guilt for doing what my body is made to do.
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#298615 - 06/05/08 10:34 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: Darkness]
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Heres the thing. Humans are omnivorous. I personally think its going against your nature and your physiology not to eat meat. Like Zoo said thought it's a personal choice. I have friends who are veggie and I would never walk up to them and shove a Fudruckers burger in their face and go 'eat it', but I'm not gonna lie I dont live it when they tell me how cruel i am to eat meat. I'm meant to eat meat. My body is meant for processing meat. My mother grew up on a farm and yes here were times when dad (my grandfather)cooked a 'pet' for dinner but he always told them not to get attached and they knew darn well what the animals were for (food, cuz I'm not gonna lie, I will not starve to save a chicken... no how, no way) so my family has very few illusions about slaughter and what not. That doesnt mean I love to look at butcher shop windows, or that i could ever kill an animal myself, I dont have the heart, especially if someone else is volunteering to do it for me. If i was stranded on an island with a pig though you'd best believe I'd eat it unless i did something stupid like name it.. in which case.. I dunno.
I also have a very good friend who's vegan, her heart is failing cuz she doesnt get enough protien. She's 23 and her heart is already failing cuz she's going against her physiology. Now, thats her choice, I helped her find all kind of vegan protein alternatives but i choose to get my protein where God intended me to.
Oh and because I sort of trailed off a bit back there i also wanted to mention, to Samiya, I see how this is a touchy subject for you. But I wanted to point something out, you say you dont press your views on anyone, but then Zoo mentioned she cooked a turkey for her family (which is her choice as a loving a contributing member of the family and may or may not be your choice one day as a contributing and loving family member) and you basically called her a murderer... which i think is pretty much pushing your views on her by making her feel bad. So as much as you hate it when other people do things that you think are wrong, maybe you should calm down a minute and say, ok, I dont agree or understand but I dont have to, it's a free country. Take some deep breaths, and let everyone else have their opinion too.

side note: has anyone ever seen notting hill, with the girl who is a frutitarian and believes the any fresh vegetables have been murdered... that's something to think on too...
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#298618 - 06/05/08 10:48 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: ShamRockStar]
Darkness Offline
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Registered: 05/26/08
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I forgot to mention that I hate turkey LOL. I don't even cook it for thanksgiving. Yuck to turkey.
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#298622 - 06/05/08 11:15 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: Darkness]
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Registered: 09/28/07
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I did a research paper about vegetarianism a few years ago in college, mainly on how our bodies are not originally designed to eat meat. I misplaced that paper already, but there are many websites that can scientifically prove about this fact such as the below article:

http://www.geocities.com/mr.ego_banget/humanphysiology.html

Human Physiology

"You can't tear flesh by hand, you can't tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don't have large canine teeth, and we wouldn't have been able to deal with food sources that required those large canines."
--Renowned anthropologist, Dr.Richard Leakey (Neal Barnard, The Power Of Your Plate, Book Publishing Company: Summertown, Tenn., 1990, p.170)

According to biologists and anthropologists who study our anatomy and our evolutionary history, humans are herbivores who are not well suited to eating meat.

Unlike natural carnivores, we are physically and psychologically unable to rip animals limb from limb and eat and digest their raw flesh. Even cooked meat is likely to cause human beings, but not natural carnivores, to suffer from food poisoning, heart disease, and other ailments.

.....

While carnivores can process all the saturated fat, protein, and bacteria in animal flesh, a meat-based diet can send humans to an early grave. Clearly, people were not intended to eat meat.

[We are not allowed to copy full items from other sites for copyright reasons. I have, therefore, edited this down. The full item is on the page noted above ~ Thanks. PDM]


Edited by PDM (06/05/08 11:54 PM)
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#298625 - 06/05/08 11:34 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: lagirl143]
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and i will respecttfully disagree... given enough time to do a research paper i could probably find just as many educated people supporting that humans were made to omnivorous... no we dont have claws like carnivores but we arent carnivores, i still believe humans are wells suited to eat anything and everything

that is my belief.

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#298627 - 06/05/08 11:39 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: ShamRockStar]
IronFront Offline
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Registered: 09/03/06
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Originally Posted By: HEATHEsaurusREX
i still believe humans are wells suited to eat anything and everything

that is my belief.



I have disproved your belief! Ha! I tried to eat my chair's arm and it was hard as hell!

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#298628 - 06/05/08 11:49 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: IronFront]
428pm Offline
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Registered: 04/30/08
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Quote:
"Natural carnivores never suffer from heart disease, cancer, diabetes, strokes, or obesity, ailments that are caused in humans by the consumption of the saturated fat and cholesterol in meat."

http://www.geocities.com/mr.ego_banget/humanphysiology.html

That post was really long...But I want to say alot of it was actually inaccurate, the above statement being one of them...

We were made to eat meat, and for every research paper you have to dispute that, I am sure I can find one that supports it.

Humans cannot be completely compared to other animals because we have higher thinking and empathy.

Also, i know first hand of individuals who have become VERY sick maintaining a vegetarian diet from malnutrition.

We are meant to eat meat, if someone chooses not to, that is their choice, but it is also a choice to eat meat.

btw...It is the preservatives and chemicals that are causing so many health issues, not meat. The human life span has tripled from the time hunting was THEORITICALLY thought up.


Edited by PDM (06/06/08 12:03 AM)
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#298634 - 06/05/08 11:56 PM Re: does anebody ever feel bad making turkey for d [Re: ShamRockStar]
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Originally Posted By: HEATHEsaurusREX
... has anyone ever seen notting hill, with the girl who is a frutitarian and believes the any fresh vegetables have been murdered... that's something to think on too...

I thought that they had shown that plants do go into stress when 'attacked'.
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