I think that is an excellent idea. I could not agree more; however, my issue is that the following is not serious discussion: I can't help feeling that this was intended to "stir the pot," not contribute to discussion of the original topic.

I actually think that it was a genuine contribution ~ and the discussion continues on that new thread.

I have now watched the video and I found it upsetting.
There are less cruel ways to kill birds than this.

These quotes are from the UK McDonalds site: [quote]All the farms that supply our chickens work to the same high standards.... http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ourfood/chicken/page4.html .... with regard to McDonald’s in the UK, when considering any new product animal welfare and food safety are the top priority, so any issues of humane slaughtering would be a deciding factor on whether McDonald's UK would list a product or not. (September 2007) The chicken farmers who supply McDonald's chicken are accredited by the nationally recognised Farm Assurance Scheme – Assured Chicken Production. Strict animal welfare standards are in place .... The slaughter of animals is an unavoidable part of preparing meat. Every animal is stunned prior to slaughter and will not feel a thing during the procedure. McDonald’s has standards in place that are continually monitored to ensure that the slaughter of animals is carried out in a humane and compassionate manner by qualified personnel and under veterinary supervision. Unfortunately McDonald’s UK cannot comment on the practices of McDonald’s in the US. McDonald's also worked closely with leading independent animal welfare specialists such as the RSPCA and Bristol University to ensure that the company maintains and improves McDonald's recognised high standards of animal welfare. This remains the case for the new Halal options. McDonald's only use the highest quality meat from animals that are effectively stunned (this means the animal is rapidly rendered unconscious so that it feels no pain) prior to slaughter. http://www.makeupyourownmind.co.uk/questions/what-are-you-doing-about/animal-welfare/ [/quote]

Since I don't use windows media players or their plugins, I looked for the youtube link and found it. I searched for it today and couldn't so can't verify it here if it was the same video. =/ It was linked back to PETA.

Despite my empathy, which I don't think means much to the discussion, I still don't believe almost anything that comes from PETA. It's fuzzied up to make you feel bad and guilty. Which isn't hard to do if you play the music just right and fuzz the camera just enough so you don't really know what's going on but see enough blood to get disturbed.

I don't really buy it honestly. Unless there's a secondary source supporting PETA's supposed visit to the McDonald's slaughter house.

EDIT: Found one. Not the same host, but same video. So let me know if it's different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKWE8RgXsWM

Niki, I was just going to bring up that point! How much can you really believe that comes from PETA? After the Ku Klux Klan thing http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2009-02-09-peta-westminster-kkk-protest_N.htm I have lost any respect I've ever had for PETA and I refuse to be caught up in their over-the-top ways.

But if this McDonald's thing is true...

That's inhumane and whoever is organizing this needs to be arrested right away. I stopped eating at McDonald's a few years back, and I am thinking I will stop with KCF too.

No, but it's not.

Oh my goodness. That video is so sad
I didn't notice that would ever happen to such a living animal!
I wish I could report this.
If I could i would!

What's so terrible about the movie? If you eat meat at all, animals die in order to provide you that meat. If you eat anything other than air, something's life ceased in order to feed you. It's life.

Unfortunately when you mass kill animals, accidents probably do happen. And yes, there are cruel people, individuals, also.

I saw nothing in the movie that was overly disturbing.

after FINALLY deciding to watch the video, it took a very long time to come up with a reply. it most definitly was an extremely disturbing piece of footage. it is hard to put into context, especially when one thinks of the immense scale that this occurring on,every day, with so many kinds of animals. we have seafood, molluscs and fish on that list as well.
inconcieveable ammounts of flesh runs through the system even as we sit here debting this thread. animal cruelty... i can not abide, though some "practices" are a nesessary evil.
PETA is a group that seriously "fights for those who cannot speak" yes, but it is also a group that will seriously skew "reality",(no second thoughts) if warrented for their own concern. i did read the response from mc donald's and due to PETA'S own video, can see that they are being as truthfull as they can be. has anyone been on a farm during the spring castrations of the bull calves to become the steer that enter our human food chain? seen the slaughter of sheep, chickens or pigs that are butchered by the private sector for their own use? have been sport fishing and enjoyed a good shore lunch? have been in a boat as lobster traps have been hauled in? have been told to go out to the coop holding the laying hens, and get some fresh eggs? this is what came to me... does anyone know what happens when you stuff your hand under a brooding hen? they get really pxxxxx! their beaks are hard, sharp and strong. along with their claws and wings. (i always dreaded that job but was also proud. it meant i was trusted to treat the hens right) how many of you have had to pick up an untrained keet? does it just instantly "go limp"? not that i have seen or felt! have you ever held a live, scrapping chicken, turkey, goose? i know one thing for sure, no bird or any other animal is just let it'self get manhandeled, flipped upside down and just decides to hang there quietly! i believe that those animals in the video,WERE stunned first (otherwise, there would have been nothing visable but white feathers)and dealt with swiftly. puppy, kitten and bird mills, animals jammed, fully concious into disgusting conditions during which they are efectively ... bred to death. bull fights...drawn out as long as possible. dog fighting rings, cock fighting rings, purposely inflicting continous pain, both in "training" and in the terrible injuries recieved from those fights. (most often not treated) these to me are the real acts of animal cruelty, the horrors comitted knowing fully what is being done. the animals in these circumstance endure FAR MORE pain and sufferig for a FAR LONGER period of time. PETA was caught, earlier this year, staging a protest over the death of some wild game, caused by "big enterprise". when discovered, (thankfully before they could finish the job)they were in the process of dismantling a unit that played part of what killed the wild animals. if they had succeeded, they could have killed dozens of people AND contaminated a gigantic ammount of pristine land supporting a huge ammount of wild life,including a large population of the ones that they were "defending" in the first place. does that make sense to anyone else? doesn't to me. mass production is the way of the world. unfortunatly so is this mass cruelty and stupidity. i think the things that PETA and all of us, should be concentrating on, are the things being done with cruelty, pure wickedness and are totally unessessary... rather than the things that are actually... more humane,unavoidable and vitally required by all of us. thank you.