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#382520 - 09/03/09 12:47 AM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: ]
IronFront Offline
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Registered: 09/03/06
Posts: 2954
Originally Posted By: P&R Mom
Well, if we want to get technical, adults have the right to step in and remove a child from an abusive situation; the child does not have the right to leave the home and go live somewhere else. In other words, children themselves do not have any rights; adults have the right to step in if kids are neglected, skipping school, working 12 hours a day, etc. etc.
Well, if we want to get technical, adults need suspicion to search a student.

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#382554 - 09/03/09 08:25 AM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: IronFront]
janimal Offline
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Registered: 12/16/05
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Loc: bude , cornwall
kids are given fewer rights for a reason. they are young and clueless and still need guidance. its when this guidance is not applied properly that things like columbine high happen.

the 'i didn't know junior had a gun' argument to me demonstrates negligent parenting - if these people knew their kids they would know what they are likely to be up to. i'm not saying every parent should be able to know what their kids will do next, but i feel strongly if parenting was applied properly these things would not happen.

in return, kids shopuld have the right to proper guidance. which is why the %$^&* who made their kids wear racist t-shirts should have their kids placed in a more guided environment, rather than letting hate breed hate.

you can get in trouble for the most bizarre things these days - taking photos of cops, growing the wrong plants, etc.. but you can't get done for being a bad parent. this is a massive hole in the legal system of every nation in the world. not enough importance is placed on upbringing and the repercussions it has on the late lives of the children.
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#382574 - 09/03/09 03:35 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: janimal]
BLR Offline
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Registered: 03/06/08
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Loc: NE Oklahoma
Having successfully raised two children, assisting with two grandchildren I can say that a parent that thinks their children have a right to privacy is looking for trouble.

You can give the child the illusion of privacy and still keep a finger on the pluse of your child.

If fact on incident with my daughter sums it up. She wanted to go over to her boyfriends house for the evening (16 years old). I asked if his parents were going to be home, she said yes.

I called and checked with his parents and in fact they were going to be home. My daughter was mad at me for checking. I told her (and meant it) that I trusted her but to continue to have that trust I must verify at times. She was OK with that.
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#382578 - 09/03/09 03:58 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: BLR]
*helwa*
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i would like to tate that if these kids were wearing the shirts outside of school in public just in their daily life, there is nothing anyone could do about it, they would then have the right to wear whatever they want no matter what it says, the shirts nor what is written on them is illegal.

however, when they were them to school it becomes against the ules and has no place in school. the school is the governing body and so long as it is not violating someones beliefs it has a right to dertermine what you wear within its walls.


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#382581 - 09/03/09 05:30 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: ]
skipperdog Offline
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Registered: 03/04/09
Posts: 397
Barbara, I totally agree. I trust my kids, but they are kids, and not always capapble of seeing the long range consequences of their choices.

When they are teens, they better believe that I will be periodically checking up on their friends, locations, computer activities, posessions, etc. It is my job to make sure that they are safe. If this compromises their privacy on occasion, too bad.

I'm not an authoritarian, but I know from my own experiences growing up that the kids whose parents gave them laisse-faire were the ones who tended to find themselves in more trouble than those who were more closely supervised.

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#382585 - 09/03/09 08:39 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: skipperdog]
Luvanimalsdearly Offline
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Registered: 01/19/09
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I know this is kind of late. Its not fair to say that christians spread their word by brainwashing. There are extreme people in every culture/religion. Its a free country students should be able to express their religious beliefs. Its not fair that everyone is attacking chritianity and putting down. Other religions are allowed and not put down in America. Brainwashing is happening all over the country. Especially in public schools. I have suffered through discrimination because I am christian. I never edver force my religion on other people, but I will stand up for my religion to the fullest extent. I almost got punished because I turned a Buddhism assignment into a chritian point of view.


Edited by Luvanimalsdearly (09/03/09 08:40 PM)

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#382591 - 09/03/09 09:04 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: janimal]
P&R Mom
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Originally Posted By: janimal
...the 'i didn't know junior had a gun' argument to me demonstrates negligent parenting - if these people knew their kids they would know what they are likely to be up to. i'm not saying every parent should be able to know what their kids will do next, but i feel strongly if parenting was applied properly these things would not happen.

in return, kids shopuld have the right to proper guidance.
I could not agree more.

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#382592 - 09/03/09 09:06 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: Luvanimalsdearly]
*helwa*
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luvanimalsdearly

i agree with you but that wasnt the point, no one is saying christians cant prctice or express beliefs, the problem is this pastor who put up the signs and now has his kids wearing tshirts that say islam is of the devil.

should muslims not be given the exact same freedom to be muslim as christians are given? what if a muslim wore a shirt that says christianity is of the devil ???

in this story the problem is a church slamming another religion and using their children to propogate that extremist radicalized idea in public schools.

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#382610 - 09/03/09 10:48 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: ]
Luvanimalsdearly Offline
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Registered: 01/19/09
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The muslims do not wear those shirts but they do murder and torture people who are christian (not saying that all of them do)

http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/turkey-young-muslims-murder-three-christians/

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_23_53/ai_80099512/

http://www.opinionbug.com/1621/muslims-murder-christian-kids-in-pakistan/

Its a free country I don't mind if someone wears a shirt that bashes my beliefs as long as I can do the same. Everyone is entitiled to their opinion no matter how offesive it is.

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#382618 - 09/03/09 11:07 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: Luvanimalsdearly]
*helwa*
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first of all ... this is not the issue, and again no one is saying you cant wear such shirts we are however saying that a CHILD can not wear such shirts in a public school ... that is a palce where ALL KIDS need to be EQUAL and EVEN so that true learning can take place.

now lets speak of your, for lack of better words, prejudiced statement at the beginning.

if you want to do the math, and trust me I have, way more muslims have died at the hands of christians in the last 8 yrs than christians have died at the hands of muslims in the last 50 yrs.

and if you want to really do the math and go back to the start of islam the numbers get even more staggering, so if one religion is guilty of slaughtering and torturing the other im sorry to say christianity would not win that bet.

but again this is not the topic nor is it the issue.

in the united states you will never ever see a muslim wearing such a tshirt slamming another religion. why? because that would be against OUR OWN religion, first of all we believe everything christianity and judaism believes except jesus being a diety, so how could slam it? second we would never dare to be so bold and brazen in our own country, yes we are americans too, to practice such freedom of speech. because if we did we would be arrested and tortured and you can be sure of that ... so who is doing the torturing now? who has rights now?

this is not about which religion is better or more entitled its about CHILDREN being used as pawns in their parents racist ideals.

the school sent the kids home, because the shirts were offensive and disruptive to the learning process and against school dress code and that is perfectly legal and acceptable.

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