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#384279 - 09/13/09 06:50 AM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: janimal]
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Originally Posted By: janimal
who - julian clary?

no sachs cobergs in my family, but there was this dude called karl benz who bolted a combustion engine to some wheels years ago...

laugh
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#384280 - 09/13/09 06:57 AM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: P&R Mom
Somsuj, I apologize to you & I certainly didn't mean to insult anyone for whom the swastika symbolizes goodness. I should have been more specific, I suppose, and said, "...difference in regular, everyday American culture between wearing a swastika vs. a cross." Its meaning here in the States, for most people, is that of Nazi Germany, which is unfortunate and evidently ignorant.

No need for apology - I just want to remind that Indian (Hindu) swastika is usually left handed [can be right handed (= nazi symbol) too]
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#384284 - 09/13/09 11:57 AM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: somsuj]
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i think i pointed this out before - the swastika has been around in various forms for at least 3000 years, and to write it off because of a political party which only existed for about 18 years seems ludicrous and ignorant.
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#384288 - 09/13/09 12:55 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: janimal]
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Yes, I think we discussed this on the other thread:

Swastika
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=384029
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#384348 - 09/13/09 08:27 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: janimal]
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Originally Posted By: janimal
to write it off because of a political party which only existed for about 18 years seems ludicrous and ignorant.
Yes, but nonetheless it brings traffic to a halt, so to speak, here in the States. We Americans have a history of obsessing about symbolic things and then losing track of the larger meaning -- the women's movement became "bra-burning," the anti-Vietnam-war movement became "flag-burning," etc.

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#384351 - 09/13/09 08:35 PM Re: Islam is of the Devil [Re: ]
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Please keep the thread on topic. I have quoted the 'Swastika' comments on the 'Swastika' thread:
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=384349
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