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#408607 - 01/18/11 03:10 PM first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed
anna sofie Offline
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Registered: 01/18/11
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Loc: Norway
Hello smile i have recently gotten 2 parakeets. one male and one female ^_^ i love and adore them. the problem is just that i have read about parakeetso n this side where they have said that you should not buy two parakeets at the same time if youre planning on taming them. so 1. i have two parakeets and theyre untamed.
2. they have already had two owners. the first ones was someone i dont know and the 2nd was my cousin. from my cousin i got to know that they have never been tamed(hand tamed)
3. i have mirrors in my cage. <-- should i remove them ?
4. i dont actually know how old they are, but i think my cousin said they were about 4 - 6 years. she wasnt sure :<. what should i do to tame them? are they tamable? because i love them and i dont want to get other parakeets frown please help me... this is my first time wanting to tame a pet rhis badly frown
( i have already started using the hand slowly into cage training.)

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#408611 - 01/18/11 05:17 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
Joephazonx Offline
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Hello! welcome to the forum!

Generally, having 2 in the cage lets them socialize with one another and not you. Not good for hand training.

Mirrors are also no good. A few toys is ok but mirrors are the biggest distraction. Its well known that they bond with mirrors and the "other bird" that appears there. A cage full of constant entertainment, distraction, and socialization from wake to sleep will make the training even worse. Separate them into different cages and watch how they react. If they are ok for a few hours, consider keeping them separate so that they might need to gain your trust to allow them to play together outside the cage.

If they are too far away from eachother, lets say separate rooms, they will be very very loud when chirping at eachother. This can be quite irritating to those in the house.

To start off with trust building, put the cage near where you sleep or a place where you can relax and have the cage immediately nearby. They will be hesitant to move about at first, but soon realize after a while that you are just sitting there and have no attempts to harm them. keep the cage close and talk to them to get in your social time.

When they move down to eat their food at the bottom of the cage, then you'll know your gaining their trust. Ground feeding is risky in the wild because they are open to attack. Which is why there are bird species which have a look-out sitting and watching for predators. They will sound a call if something is spotted so they can escape. If your pet birds are eating with you right next to them, then you can be sure they're trusting you a bit now. They will soon realize that flying away at your approach is an unnecessary error. Make this a regular thing until they get to know you more.

Don't try and grab them out (like they do in commercial pet stores wink ). You have to have them happy all the time. When there is a quite time, take some toys out and play with them yourself. My pet Conure gets jealous when I do that. Hehehe. They won't catch on right away so take time to enjoy yourself and know your making progress.

Give this a few days and see how things go. they should continue about what they were doing as you approach the cage. When they do, you can move to the next step:

Petting:

When the bird allows you to be nearby, open the cage and reach in to adjust something, like a toy. Come back 10 minutes later and move something like a toy to another part of the cage. Is the bird reacting negatively? If the bird is flying uncontrollably around the cage when your hand is it in, go back to the previous step of sitting near the cage. If the bird is merely only clinging to the far side of the cage, you should be able to continue. Continue entering your hand into the cage until they see it as a non-intrusive act (they sit there nicely or continue doing what they were doing before you entered.)

Continue to next step only when progress is made.

When the bird is no longer afraid of your hand entering the cage and is not frightened, you may then try approaching the bird itself. If the bird reacts by flying or clings to the side of the cage, go back to merely adjusting things until it is ready. If it lets you approach, then congrats! Its starting to trust you! Put your finger to its beak or feet, but never behind it or above the bird. Don't touch, just hold it there. It may inspect your finger. If it bites, do not jerk your hand. Pull it away slowly until it stops biting. Come back 10 minutes later to the approaching action, but stay nearby until the bird becomes distracted by something other than you. Then come back and try again.

Continue to next step ONLY if progress is made.

When the bird is only observing your finger and not scared or biting, try touching his beak or foot and see the reaction. If the bird is ok with touching, try and pet its feathers. If the bird is being nice and not biting or is scared, keep petting. The moment he becomes uneasy, stop and move your hand away. Make the moment enjoyable and cease when the bird is no longer enjoying.

This won't all happen in the first hour. Trust me. The bird needs some time to trust you especially in a new home. Never strike a bird for discipline. It can be easily hurt and traumatized which will make the road ahead MUCH worse. If you have any questions just let me know. smile

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#408614 - 01/18/11 06:46 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
anna sofie Offline
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Registered: 01/18/11
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thx so much for taking your time writing this much back to me laugh
now i got my hopes up even more ^_^ thx really much <3 laugh

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#408616 - 01/18/11 07:49 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
Joephazonx Offline
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Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 780
Loc: Penslyvania
No problem smile and You'll have better luck posting this in the regular parakeet area "General Parakeet Chat" because it is indeed parakeet related and thats where most people view. You'll have a lot more replies if you post topics there. smile

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#408617 - 01/18/11 08:11 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
kksuns Offline
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Registered: 07/29/08
Posts: 7692
Loc: upstate NY
Welcome to the forum anna sophie smile

That's some great advice Joephazonx gives..except I have to disagree slightly with the last step:

"If the bird is ok with touching, try and pet its feathers. If the bird is being nice and not biting or is scared, keep petting. The moment he becomes uneasy, stop and move your hand away. Make the moment enjoyable and cease when the bird is no longer enjoying."

I say I slightly disagree because not all birds like to be petted whether they're tamed or not. I know that my Levi is very tamed, so much so that he is my "velcro bird" LOL But he still HATES to be petted..and I've heard of others that are the same way.
Some like or don't mind petting, others just plain don't like it.
So to me that last step should be offering your finger to step up on, gently pressing your finger to the belly and say step up "Name".
If she steps up that's great..just let her sit there and talk to her saying how awesome it is until she decides to hop back off. Do not try to move your hand around with her perched as of yet. Just keep doing the step up thing until she is obviously comfortable with it before trying to move her around while perched on finger. Even then just move a little bit and slowly to get her used to motion.

If she doesn't want to step up, or backs away from your finger when you approach her with it, just stay still and rest your finger/hand on perch for 10 mins or so til she realizes you are not going to chase her down and force her in to anything. Then simply remove your hand if she hasn't returned to it..and try again later.
Try to be patient and work sloooowly. Everything has to be done at THEIR pace. No forcing.
Good luck! Got pics??? *hint hint LOL
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#408618 - 01/18/11 08:24 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: kksuns]
Joephazonx Offline
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I suppose that makes sense. I speak from experience really. All my pet birds like being petted at least on their front side.

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#408623 - 01/18/11 08:38 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
anna sofie Offline
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Registered: 01/18/11
Posts: 3
Loc: Norway
if oyu meant me i dont got pics yet. they arent tamed >_< but i will take some later i think laugh

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#408625 - 01/18/11 08:54 PM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: Joephazonx]
kksuns Offline
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Registered: 07/29/08
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Originally Posted By: Joephazonx
I suppose that makes sense. I speak from experience really. All my pet birds like being petted at least on their front side.


lol yeah that makes sense too.
I have one, Ziggy, who is not hand tamed and I'm beginning to wonder if he ever will be as he has a huge fear of hands, and one, Levi, who is a mama's boy and sticks to me like glue, but hates to be petted. If i try to pet his belly, he automatically steps up on my finger. haha And if I try to pet his back or wings I get a wth? look and a accck uh uh! and off he goes. BUT I can pet him with my nose or cheek anywhere and it doesn't bother him a bit crazy
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#408647 - 01/19/11 12:01 AM Re: first budgies ever. had 2 owners and are not tamed [Re: anna sofie]
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I know that the larger species of parrots tend to like being stroked or held more than a little keet...some do however allow it which doesnt necessarily even mean they like it tho...

of course there are those times during a moult when again they will beg for it...

the ones that dont seem to mind being stroked or held are maybe birds that prior to get home with the new owner have been held on a fairly regular basis at the breeders...and so have got a bit tolerant of it...if they have had that time to be use to this happening...

i got Cappy so young from a breeder that this wasnt the case with him...and in the beginning before his first moult he liked his head being scratched but as soon as that first moult happened that was the end of that.

he still now wont let you touch except like kksun says with my nose i can...but gotta say this lil guy recently went from velcro to being my skin...ever since i got him his new cage and ive no idea what that would have to do with anything but geeeee

i have only one thought that is a remote possibility and that is he figures that new cage was setting up house for the "two" of us becuz he never hesitated to go in ..

jumped right in as i was setting it up...i thought id have to get him use to it first...nope he took right too it... and at that same time...he also started to beg from me when i would eat... right at my mouth being incessant about it...good grief...i think ive married a bird giggle...

now that begging right at the mouth while cute is not good...want to go on record as saying that...i dont encourage it by any means...but when he starts i dont instantly reject his affections either...i believe that wouldnt be good either...

when he is out now...as bad as he was before..he is like tethered to me...anytime i move he will immedidately stop what he is doing and fly to my head or shoulder to make sure i dont go where he isnt going ...

for the record ive had Cappy a year mid last november...he talks up a storm and gives me lots of laughs and giggles...all didnt happen over nite...took about 8 months for him to even consider eating veggies and even a tad longer to figure out he wasnt allergic to water to wash...no baths he wants showers from my sink spray...
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