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#415428 - 05/19/11 11:41 PM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
Kimberly1985 Offline
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Registered: 01/28/11
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Thanks everyone! I didn't think I'd get so many responses so quickly.

Yes, I'm gonna have to give Yoshi some tough love. I have caught him still "begging" even when I'm not in the room and I think it's unhealthy for him. He does like the cat balls (only when they're not in his cage. He ignores them otherwise), and his ring toy (signature). He likes to chew on things so I am gonna have to either order online or make a trip to the pet store to get him some "chew toys". It's gonna be hard to ignore him. I have his cage on the desk where my computer is and that's where I am at most of the day. I think a good step would be to move his cage a little further from me but where he can still see me. This will help me "ignore" his pleas to come out.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

Oh almost forgot, gonna get some clips too so I can secure those doors! Don't want no accidents happening!
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#415429 - 05/19/11 11:47 PM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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moving cage so he isnt so close for sure MIGHT help but if he persist on begging you may have to do more...also as kksuns mentioned when he does come out everytime he goes to you place him with someone else and do it repeatedly even if its every five seconds till he GETS IT...might not be a bad idea too when your out or in another room to let your HUBBY be the one to let him out NOT YOU...
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#415434 - 05/20/11 01:27 AM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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Well, it has been an hour since I moved him and he still is begging. He only chirps every now and again but his beak rubbing against the cage is really loud. It also seems like I am more important to him than a fresh bowl of seed and herbs. In the morning, when I give him his food instead of him going to the feed dish, he begs to come out.

I've tried placing him with others and even shutting the door to keep him from flying back to the room I am in. We do this several times each evening but when the door is open, he immediately comes back to me.

My husband doesn't get home in the evening until 7:30 so he really is only here enough through the week to open it once a day. I don't know if once a day would be enough to change anything. But if he was home more, it might could work.

He knows how to play with his toys, I've seen him play with all of them but he's not interested in them anymore. Maybe he's bored of the toys?? I am gonna try my best to get to the store tomorrow to get him some more toys. Maybe this will help him keep his mind off of me so much.

I don't want to sound like I am complaining because I am very happy that he has taken to me so well. I am just concerned about his social health and independence. I just want him to be happy and healthy!

I'm gonna continue with everyone's advice, and hopefully, he'll come to enjoy alone time to play.

EDITED: If he's getting approximately 5-6 hours out of cage time a day, how much should I drop it down at first? Maybe just to 4 hours for a few days, then 3 for a few days, then 2???

I'm just guessing that two hours a day would be about how much time I could give him out when I start school. And I want him to get used to that amount.


Edited by Kimberly1985 (05/20/11 01:36 AM)
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#415435 - 05/20/11 02:21 AM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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Right after my last post, he gave up the begging and went to eat. Now he's cuddled up on his happy hut, sleeping.


Edited by Kimberly1985 (05/20/11 02:58 AM)
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#415436 - 05/20/11 04:21 AM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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its not the time out that needs fixing its the velcro neg habit that needs fixing...makes no difference if THAT habit cant be broke how long he stays out or in...

THATS what needs attention and i dont believe shorten up the hours is gonna fix that ...what might is ...everytime the bird comes to you ...you dont let him land on you...now your gonna say that will mess up his trust but no ...not if its done right becuz when birds dont want another bird near it ...it MOVES...or does another action to get the other bird to back off...or both...

teach the bird it can come to you ONLY when you go get it....and in the meantime dont let it come to you ....avoid it...but keep in mind ...time out being limited isnt going to fix how attached to you he is....thats not the issue...most of us have our birds cages open all the time...for hours...and dont have that issue...

you will also need to limit the time he is with you WHEN you go to get him...start that too..let him sit with you a half hour or a bit more but then....return him to the cage PUTTING HIM IN....do that a few times a day for awhile...making sure each time he goes to approach you dont let him for about a hour...then when he is on his cage for five to ten minutes...YOU go get him...for a half hour...then put him in for a couple hours and repeat this several times a day....gradually shortening the time with you spent when he does come out...but not the time out he gets....get him a play gym for on top of the cage.

in fact you hear folks say...the bird keeps flying back to the cage why wont he / she stay with me...lol...they dont know how lucky they are that the bird is well adjusted and not so clingy...

this is a heck of a situation to have already when you just got him but best to jump on this right away ...its really good you noticed you have GOT TO do something NOW before your not at home so much so thats to be said in your favor...cudos for picking up on that...

now you just got to remain tough...lovebirds didnt get that name for nothing becuz they can be very clingy ...also becoming a one person bird and omg you think you got problems now lol...lets hope the latter dont happen too...

i wish you the best in solving this kimmie for sure...just remember TOUGH love now ...its best for the bird too. crazy cool


Edited by illusive Fantasy (05/20/11 04:41 AM)
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#415437 - 05/20/11 04:50 AM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
Jessica Cole Offline
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Haha! This is so cute and funny! laugh But, yes...TOUGH LOVE!

My goffin's cockatoo, Echo, had a behavioral problem with squawking when she wanted attention. I asked Illusive how to cure her and she said to ignore when squawked and praise when she was quiet and cute. Or...maybe it was something else. I can't remember what I learned over google and what I learned from Illusive. Bottom line - YOU ARE THE BOSS! NOT THE BIRD! They are so intelligent and can figure out how to get you to pay attention to them.

Lovie: *Bangs and Tweedles in Cage*
Kim: *Lets Lovie Out*
Lovie: AHA! If I just bang and tweet, she lets me out!

Keep working on the command "Step Up", because learning that trick will help both you and Lovie.

Don't worry. We often teach our birds naughty behavior without even realizing it. My cockatoo used to nip my mother and father. I would always come to their rescue and pick her up, but I realized that, that was EXACTLY what she wanted me to do. Pick her up! So, I started leaving the room whenever she would nip at my parents. It hacked her off! But she learned. OH, IF I BITE THE PARENTS, THEN MY PERSON LEAVES THE ROOM! THIS IS NOT GOOD!

I'm not saying Lovie is a bad birdy. Not at all. Just catch this bad habit before it gets worse...and it looks as if you caught it! Update us to let us know how Lovie is improving! laugh
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#415442 - 05/20/11 05:38 AM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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YAH thats what i said along with a few other things lol...ya gotta get into their heads or your right they are very adept at training US
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#415450 - 05/20/11 02:29 PM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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illusive brings up some very good points. I DO think the clinginess issue is the main point to focus on...and then the amount of time he will need to spend in his cage by himself will fall in to place.
Just to let you know, Levi was a clinger too, and still is at times. I did just what illusive advised to do...shoo him away when he tried landing on me. He would then go back to his cage and sulk. lol He's such a brat he would actually go in his cage and KICK at his toys..kick kick kick aaaaack.. like he was an angry child slamming the bedroom door throwing a temper tantrum LOL
THEN after he stayed in or on his cage for a little while I would go over to him, tell him he was a good boy playing alll by himself, and let him hop on my finger. Play with him for a while, then put him back again.It takes a while and you have to be firm and try not to feel sorry for them, but it will work if you are consistent.
I also think it's important that he gets used to being with and enjoying your other family members too. You don't need a one person birdy, and really it's not healthy for him. The more family members he accepts..the bigger his FLOCK will be and the HAPPIER he will be. It's nice to have more than one "friend" to hang out with and enjoy spending time with.

If like you said, he like the cat balls but not IN his cage maybe that's because he doesn't like playing on the floor of the cage yet?
Maybe he would like a couple cat ball hung/tied on a string? Don't leave tooo much string hangin tho or he could get tangled in it. I use colored plastic drinking straws or pony beads to take up space on the string between cage top where it's hung and the balls or bells or whatever at the bottom. can even place a ball at the bottom, some beads or piece of straw, then another ball..then straw or beads again.
If he likes the cloud toy you made he might even like strips of paper stuck thru the slits of hanging cat ball, mine do wink They also like little short pieces of hemp string or cotton string tied to the cat balls. Somethin to chew on and grasp with beak to give a good shake.

Luck with the separation anxiety. Let us know how it goes and if ya need a pep talk we're here. grin
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#415453 - 05/20/11 04:42 PM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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id be careful of using straws with her bird tho kk if your talking the plastic ones ...remember her bird will easily bit thru and shred and you wouldnt want him to accidently swallow a small piece of the plastic straw.
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#415455 - 05/20/11 05:42 PM Re: Velcro birdy needs independence! [Re: Kimberly1985]
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lol birds are really smart and persistent. i had a smilar problem with one parakeet i had to keep separate for a while. she lived in a cage in my room and it took her about a week to quit being so annoying laugh she demanded so much (not only attention but also certain foods and stuff). the reason i had to keep her separate WAS the food- she had been on a bad diet and was overweight so she was hanging out with me so she could "go on a diet". now she doesnt even miss me since she lives together with the rest of them laugh

i think its cool to have a companion bird, though its not really my goal with my parakeets. maybe one day ill have one, but for now im more into watching them interact with each other than with me.

my dog also has that problem- now that my boyfriend works as well he stays alone two days a week for about eight hours. in the beginning he used to howl (i know this from my housemates) and eat my books and stuff! but now hes alright with it. my housemates offered to babysit him and stuff, but i said NO! he needs to learn to be alone! im not always gonna be there every day of the week. like, when i move out and live alone!

animals are like small children- they need boundaries, no matter how cute and funny they may be. its in their interest as well as ours.

itll be okay kim! hell learn to entertain himself sooner or later!


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