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#420306 - 11/22/11 03:57 AM banking crisis?
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hey everyone... haven't been around for a while - life keeps me busy these days.

anyhoo, i was interested to hear what peoples rections are to current world events.

ten years ago i was going around telling people that much of the evils of the past 150 years can be traced to the banks - the world wars, versailles treaty and iraq just to mention a few. people pretty consistently thought i was a paranoid conspiracy theorist and found my ideas at best droll.

i don't like to gloat (actually, yes, i do!!), but the past two years have vindicated me.

we now have a europe wide dictatorship which is deposing the elected leaders of italy and greece and replacing them with unelected officials appointed by guess who - the imf ( a bank). we have worldwide austerity measures tightening their grip on the bottom end of society to pay for the financial terrorism perpetrated by the rich. in the uk northern rock is the latest example - a bank which went pop, was bailed out with 21 billion pounds of tax money and now sold by cameron to richard branson for a mere 750 million. yep, its a great life on the inside... and all the while the nato war machine grinds on with covert intervention unconvincingly dressed up as revolution in lybia, syria and egypt funded by guess who? the likes of jp morgan.

and meanwhile there are worldwide protests against these glaring social injustices and massive crimes of the rich. and how do governments react to these peaceful protests? the uk seeks injunctions to have protesters removed from the steps of st pauls - a public space. the usa is beating the crap out of peacefully protesting students and hosing them down with pepper spray in some of the most disgraceful displays of police violence since the days of civil rights marches in phillie. many other countries are not far behind...

so who is raping the world and causing misery more than ever? the super rich banks? whose side are the governments on - the oppressed masses or the banks - well of course the banks, and that is whose interests violent riot police all over the world are protecting. money talks and bullshit walks.

where is this heading? worldwide autocracy by financial institutions or possibly revolution? i'm hoping for the latter, but i won't hold my breath waiting...

what is everybody else making of all of this stuff?? please, do tell.
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#420311 - 11/22/11 02:17 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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Hi Jan smile

I'm a bit bewildered, actually.

I know that you have been saying this for a while, and I believe that the banks seem to be getting away with all sorts of ills, while those running them getting millions of pounds in reward money ~ and the poor and sick are interrogated by government officials as if they might be criminals.

There is definitely something up ~ but the banks controlling the world, having secretly planned it all along? ~ I can't see it, but I'm still bewildered by what is going on.
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#420312 - 11/22/11 04:21 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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The U S banks control all of Congress. Lobbyists and corruption rule in D C. No bank will ever take on any burden to the account holders because every single person in DC owes somebody in a banking position a favor or a pass on any burden.

Why do you think that no one in banking has been called out or made an example of during this whole crisis...and they received a butt load of stimulus money to boot? The bank industry is the definition of greed. Enough is never enough. While their profits sky rocket they complain and add fees to the consumers.

Banks are lower than lawyers, used car salesman, and lower than pond scum...but Congress kisses their greedy asses all the time. Congress is in bed with the banks and this country will go down eventually and it will be the direct result of the banks.

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#420315 - 11/22/11 04:49 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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I believe back before the 1920s that when someone wanted to buy something - even a house - they saved up the money and bought it. It was only legislation in the early 1900s that then had houses bought with very little money down.

Maybe we could release the hold banks have if we went back to that plan - saved up money for cars and other purchases instead of letting them tie us up in loans. I know it would take longer to have things - but is that really such a bad thing?
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#420329 - 11/22/11 07:41 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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Houses are so expensive that most people would have trouble saving enough for a deposit, never mind enough to buy outright. Only the super rich would be able to afford a decent home.
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#420341 - 11/23/11 03:22 AM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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which is where we're going in the uk. since the lending scandal, it has been all but impossible to get high ratio mortgages - 90%+ - which were freely available a few years ago. now, if your average house costs, sy £200,000, you need to be sat on around £50,000 cash to even be able to get a mortgage. the reality of this is that an entire generation has been priced out of the housing market while big players for whom the high costs of borrowing are able to snap up property at bargain prices kept down by low demand (because the masses can't afford them, and hike rental prices. this is already going on. and the trail leads to the banks every time. the great depression of the early 20th century can be traced back to rothschild and rockefeller and their cronies, now its today's bankers. and everytime these depressions happen, the bankers clean up. for me it it too much of a coincidence that the world banking system has been ever more streamlined to make this possible and that governments seem to be powerless or unwilling to stop it. this is what banks have been up to all along.
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#420343 - 11/23/11 11:57 AM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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janimal,

Just for the record I never thought you were crazy! I have always known you were right and so should anyone that studies history to any level but that is not the reason I am posting.


Like you I have been bogged down in my work lately plus my wife has a tumour in her sinus cavity and those two things are about to break me down so I have not been keeping up with the news lately though I know that what you have stated is exactly what we are facing here in the US. Certain people can come into a town and take over financially thus replacing the elected committees BUT still this is not what I am posting here for.

Yesterday I went to my hometown to visit my Grandfather and Grandmother (these are the Christian(Fraternal) side of my family) and I spent most of the day talking to my Grandfather whilst my Mamaw read. Papaw said something most alarming to me. . . . Just something that made me go white with fear in how he said it. We were talking about the state of things(the world) and he just up and asked "Have you heard any crosstalk about the major worldly overhaul that is going to happen in the financial industry towards the end of this year?". I just sat there for a moment and stared at him because it is highly unusual for him to say something like that and it caught me off gaurd as I said. I asked him what he meant and he said "Well the banks have completely taken over all of the EU now and Eastern Europe has been under the control of the west since 92'"I said OK and he went on "And you know this country has been run by the banks since Lincoln. . . . I am just afraid that our Republic is on it's last legs Joe."

My Grandfather seemed really afraid for us, his kids and himself and wife. He is much like you Janimal though I do not know your level of education, he left school in 6th grade like most of his siblings in order to work on the farm but became a professional carpenter and housemover with his own business. In 1971 he got his GED and loved to study American History while he was short on work and after he first retired. This conversation sent a cold chill down my back because it is really unusual for my papaw to say something like that. In the 37 years that I have known him his reserve has been monumental but he came as close to breaking down as I have ever seen him yesterday.
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#420349 - 11/23/11 05:59 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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Hey mongrel,

i first started to become politically aware in the mid 80's. in the uk we had thatcher, the falklands the poll tax riots, the printworkers strike, the miniers strike and the destruction of the militant newspaper, possibly one of the last bits of free press in the uk. the 80's socialism community and the family died for ever in the uk and i suspect in a lot of places. they were heavy times, but it was a cream pie compared to now.

i left school at 18, worked as a process chemist for years and then went into building. i now teach kids to play guitar bass and mandolin and work as a music tech at the local school. no formal higher education but i like to read heavy books and watch deep documentaries.

i first understood about the world banking system about 10 years ago, thanks to the money master documentary and reading it lead me to. i now get how the federal reserve was conceived to free the banks from the control of sovereign governments and the shackles of the gold standard. the architects of these changes in 1914 or so were well aware that they were playing a long game which would take generations to play out. i read a rothschild quote from around the time the fed was drawn up along the lines of:

'we have taken the first step toward building a world order (this is where the phrase comes from)in which we (the banking elite) can carry out our business and realise our visions without the interference or encumberment of sovereign governments. this process will reach its conclusion in the next 100 years and herald the birth of a new world order which will last 1000 years'.

here we are just under 100 years later and the past 20 years have seen radical deregulation of the banks by successive governments which could not have been more perfectly taylor made to make the current situation possible. the status quo here and now is entirely engineered. the lending market went pop and governments were powerless in the face of calls for bailouts to stop banks failing. trillions were handed over, the tax payer saw no dividends and the banks pocketed the money skipped off into the sunset and statred working on their next move. i predicted this years ago - it seemed obvious to me and the fact that it came true scares me deeply, because i have a hunch where we will be in 25 years from now.

did you know that in the usa politicians can now receive gifts in form of banking stocks shares and options and are not obliged to declared them as they are with cash donations? of course this means there is nobody who cannot be bought now and it can be done completely covertly. the uk will follow suit in the next year or two i reckon.

europe is now a banking dictatoprship - the leaders of italy and greece were kicked out by the banks not the people - what does that tell you? the uk coalition is lead by cameron and clegg, both have powerful banking and business connections; some in their families. the usa is behaving like a military dictatorship - beating down peaceful protesters, guantanamo, afghanistan.... and all the time the interests of banks and oil are protected. its a shame - the world had high hopes for obama. sadly its a case of different face, same crap.

and the media does not report this - the only place i've seen any amount of coverage of the occupy movement is on russia today!!!

in a few years there will be nothing left in the world but puppet governments, energy and property prices which nail the poor to the wall and corporate control. under the guise of bio diesel oil companies are now controlling grain prices around the globe, rice will soon follow suit for bio ethanol. and when you control money, energy, and food worldwide what freedoms remain? and if we kick off the riot police and soon the army will slap us back down. believe me, it's coming.

i'm no genius predicting what is going on now - linclon and rooseveldt saw this coming - the world was just too damn stupid to listen; now its too late. marx poignantly said that capitalism can only collapse in on itself unless it form an autocracy which serves the banks. well, here we are.

the new bogeymen are not the pagans, the illuminati or even angry muslims - they're dudes in suits who mow down countless little people with the stroke of a pen.

'as round the world i travel,
i meet all kinds of men,
some rob you with a sixgun,
some with a fountain pen,
but as round the world i travel
and round the world i roam
i've yet to see an outlaw
drive a family from their home'

pretty boy floyd, by guthrie. apt, methinks.


Edited by janimal (11/23/11 06:08 PM)
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#420350 - 11/23/11 07:46 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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Janimal,
You are not helping. You sound just like my Sociology professor(He's Russian) Would you mind if I show your post to my grandfather?
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#420351 - 11/23/11 07:49 PM Re: banking crisis? [Re: janimal]
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Don't you think that it may just be a case of money having become the most important thing in society ~ and so those who have it, or control it ~ or both ~ are supremely powerful?
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