LisaShea Forum Logo

all ads on this forum support animal charities
Forum Areas
Parakeets
General Parakeet Chat
Keet Stories and Photos
Parakeet Photo Gallery
Budgie Training
Health and Medical Issues
Parakeet Breeding
In Memory Of ...
Non-Budgie Pets and Animals
Non-Budgie Animal Photos
Off-Topic for Keet Owners
Games
Animal Rights
Bird / Animal Books

General Discussion
Books, TV, Movies
Da Vinci Code
Dreams
Japanese Culture
Life, Universe, Everything
Online Courses
Politics
Religious Research
Show Your Own Work
Work From Home

Budgie Photos
My violet female budgie
my cage
two blues
Support Charity
Support Our Friends
The Child Health Site
Topic Options
#423860 - 06/11/12 05:46 AM jealous budgie?
jenkeet Offline
New Member

Registered: 06/11/12
Posts: 4
I have 2 keets, they live in the same cage(house I call it), seem to tolerate each other, sometimes I hear squabbling.
They are approximately 7 months & 3 months, the younger one has a significantly more dominant personality. Not sure of the genders(I'm starting to wonder if I have 2 hens), older one was parent raised, younger one hand fed.

Anyways I put the little back in their house so I could work on handling the other one. Little miss bossy saw me handling the other bird gave us a few chirps ones that I didn't recognize. when I put the other bird back, they started to fight.

Did me handling the other bird instigate the brawl?

The ceres on the older one hasn't changed significantly yet, it's been whitish blue since I've had him/her.

Top

Add jealous budgie? to Twitter Add jealous budgie? to Facebook Add jealous budgie? to MySpace Add jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg jealous budgie? Add jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423863 - 06/11/12 02:50 PM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
kksuns Offline
Platinum Star Soulmate

Registered: 07/29/08
Posts: 7692
Loc: upstate NY
Welcome to the forum jenkeet,
I think you might be right about the jealousy issue. Is the younger one, the one that started the squabble, used to being out and handled by you more than the older one?
Names?

You say They "seem to tolerate each other". Now to me..that doesn't sound like either is all too happy with the other. You might want to think about separating them. Is the younger one bossing the other around often? Keeping him/her from the food dishes(you should have AT LEAST 2 food cups) or toys? If so, it's really not fair to make your older one put up with it. It's too stressful and just a horrible way to have to live having to put up with a bully all the time. Some birds are just not meant to be together, personalities clash. Just like not all people like each other.
If you have a male AND a female, if you don't separate, you could very well be dealing with breeding issues before you know it. Neither are old enough to breed yet whether THEY think so or not. It's too risky for young birds to breed.
You should have a better idea of the gender of your older one before too long if s/he is 7 mos old now. The younger one of course is going to take a while.
Got pics??
How big is your cage? Sometimes squabbling has to do with not enough space.
At any rate, you should separate before one gets seriously injured.
_________________________



Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423864 - 06/11/12 03:46 PM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
tessboss Offline
Long Time Friend

Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 794
I agree with KK that you already have a problem. I can relate. I had gotten my little Bob as a baby and several months later I got his brother Tom, also a baby, from the same breeder. They were doing great until they reached maturity and one of yours is getting close to maturity/breeding age.

I do not think at this point it matters what sex they are...they are simple not compatible. I separated mine and Bob was so happy he didn't have to deal with Tom, I re-homed Tom to a good home and now they are both happier.

I found that when they each had their own cage, Bob was good with that and played and had a normal life as a parakeet. Tom on the other hand, spent his whole day hanging on his cage and stressing about Bob. Tom was the youngest baby for me too and he was the bully. I actually had to cover Tom when Bob was out with me because Tom became so agitated and jealous. I had to cover Bob when Tom was out because he did not enjoy his time out he spent the whole time crawling on Bobs cage and stressing.

I could not stand seeing Tom so stressed out and decided it was best for him to have his own new "mom". It has worked out great and Tom is so happy with his new mom and I see him him now and then too. Bob started talking and is way happier now.

I had a flight cage with only the two in it and that did not matter. Everything belonged to Tom and Bob wasn't allowed to have anything more than a nano second before Tom claimed it and ran Bob off. Once the bullying starts it is a pattern and I really don't think a bigger cage will change that at this point.

Good luck but do something before it gets ugly and one gets badly hurt.


Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423867 - 06/11/12 05:12 PM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
illusive Fantasy Offline
Platinum Star Soulmate

Registered: 11/12/09
Posts: 7218
Loc: Massachusetts
both above posters have said it all and given you super advice an id of said all the same things...please take their advice and as soon as you can get another large cage in the meantime till you do ...the only thing id recommend differently is even more that 2 food stations like maybe 2 for each bird... smile and also if your cage is big enough really put some distance between the feeding stations ...some high ...some low but the best thing is a different cage to house each of them separately ...as mentioned to avoid future mating issues as well... laugh
_________________________
CAPPY

Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423874 - 06/12/12 04:43 AM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
jenkeet Offline
New Member

Registered: 06/11/12
Posts: 4
They are both bird shop keets(separate bird shops)
they didn't come from birdie jail(petco/petsmart)

Skylar I've had since mid Feb, s/he was parent raised. A very smart & friendly bird, he had my trained, & I have even heard him say "pretty bird", Approximate age when I got him 10-12 weeks.
He's not used to being handled & he became flighted before I was able to hand train him. it was 2 weeks before I let him out of the cage. A very perceptive but a bit indignant after getting his wings clipped. We had to get his wings reclipped(he was still flighted after I took him in for the wing clip), he also earned himself a free beak trim/filing by biting the story lady(he doesn't won't use the cuttlebone)


Romeo I've had approximately a month, 6-8 week old when I got her, she's a hand fed bird, so he/she was able step up on day 2.
Very curious, inquisitive personality, i think is learning boundaries.


They're both used to being out on regular basis, I typically have to put Romeo away first it's easier to pick him up without her trying to convince him that they should run across the room.

One is used to being handled the other is not.

I'm not making mountain out of molehill for now they're staying in same cage, just seem to squabble occasionally like any birds or roommates.

they have a large rectangular cage, dowel perch in front, split branch perch in back, various in cage toys(including 2 perch swings) & treats, 2 seed dishes, 1 water dish. I also have a 3 shelf metal barred magazine rack that I've converted into a metal level parakeet playground

Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423875 - 06/12/12 12:54 PM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
tessboss Offline
Long Time Friend

Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 794
You will learn that on this site everyone has their own ideas and opinions. You will also learn, sometimes the hard way, that advice given almost always has a ring of truth to it and should be followed.

Everyone does things different. I would say that the advice given to those with new birds is always the same. Hand tame in the cage and earn the trust, then let out of the cage. I cannot think of one person in this site that clips wings. We teach our birds and hand tame them, which takes a lot of patience and time. The training is 100% harder if you have two birds together.

I certainly hope you are right that they are only having little arguments but just remember when they both become breeding maturity it will most likely escalate.

I have never heard of a baby needing a beak trim. ??? Birds only use a cuttle bone when they need it not when we think they need it. The bird bit the clerk out of fear and I am certain the beak was not long enough to trim, its a baby. Hence, the hand training would have prevented all the birds stress and fear.

When you first posted you called it a "brawl" and now it is a little squabble. Sometimes we like to make less of it when we get advice that is hard and not easy. Please keep a close eye out so neither of them get hurt.

Good luck and keep us posted. We love pics. Post pics of your babies, we would love it.

Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit
#423876 - 06/12/12 01:03 PM Re: jealous budgie? [Re: jenkeet]
illusive Fantasy Offline
Platinum Star Soulmate

Registered: 11/12/09
Posts: 7218
Loc: Massachusetts
again excellent advice above and comments as well...especially about the beak trimming thats really not required generally on a keet at all unless there is a vitamin defiency...and most of us dont as mentioned do wing clips...a bird is meant to fly ...

hope the situation is taken under advice here that has been given...both birds will be happier and training will definetely go smoother. smile
_________________________
CAPPY

Top

Add Re: jealous budgie? to Twitter Add Re: jealous budgie? to Facebook Add Re: jealous budgie? to MySpace Add Re: jealous budgie? to Del.icio.us Digg Re: jealous budgie? Add Re: jealous budgie? to Yahoo My Web Add Re: jealous budgie? to Google Bookmarks Add Re: jealous budgie? to Stumbleupon Add Re: jealous budgie? to Reddit


Moderator:  jilly, Lisa Shea, PDM 

Want to reply? Register as a Forum Member - it's quick, free and fun!
Latest Posts
Meditate
by Lisa Shea
09:14 PM
Budgie still scared
by Penny feathers
08:24 PM
New here.. lots of questions
by Bannetsmith
12:40 AM
being a pest
by Bannetsmith
12:37 AM
Pest Control
by Bannetsmith
12:32 AM
Spider Bites (Update)
by Bannetsmith
12:30 AM
The pest control
by Bannetsmith
12:23 AM
Organic herbs
by illusive Fantasy
10:19 PM
New Stylish Spy camera with Sunglass
by Fehad Hasan
06/16/13 09:54 AM
newbie here >>>!!!
by tessboss
06/12/13 09:48 AM
Forum Guidelines
This forum takes web safety issues very seriously. Please make sure you have read and understood our Forum Guidelines before posting.
Support Charity
Support Our Friends
The Animal Rescue Site