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#424035 - 06/26/12 08:32 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: Pineapple]
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LOL good for you ...just never expected HER if it is a HER to be the escapee' however she may have wanted out that bad laugh ya never know...and where it happened fast ...nugget was clueless as to what was happening till AFTER it happened...

they will have lots of chirps back and forth communicating now with each other...so your house will be full of lovely little noises now than before but it will settle down a lil later...and be sure the cages are not set up too close to each other because if ..IF...one is sick the sneezes or anything airborne can also transmit a disease but...that being said...there is not so much a chance of contamination...i would go so far as at least for the quarantine time put each cage in a different room it will also make for easier training...

or at very least if the room is large enough just place the cages on opposite walls..and be sure during this time..should either come out if training goes well and you can let them out...make sure now there is NO visiting to each others cage during out time or you just threw everything out the window..

well done...on getting the deed done...and sounds like with minimal stress also...so its as they say "all good" smile
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#424036 - 06/26/12 09:09 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: kksuns]
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Originally Posted By: kksuns
Oooh that's a nice great sized cage you got there Pineapple! And a great price too! whoot!!!

I do most of my cage cleaning with acv(apple cider vinegar) and water BUT if that is a used cage I would use bleach and water solution for the first cleaning. It will definitely take care of more bacterias n nasty germs than acv.
If it will fit in the tub, you can do it there, if not you can wash it outside if you have access to a hose?
If it's possible to break it down and let it soak in the tub in bleach/water solution for 20 mins or so, that's what I would do. The solution does not have to be too strong. If you can't break it down, mix a solution in a spray bottle and spray it down real well, be sure to get all the little cracks n crevices n corners well. Let it sit for a bit, then rinse thoroughly. Rinse it well. Then let dry.
If any way you can let it dry in the sun...even better.
After the initial cleaning then acv/water is good and also the hand sanitizing wipes illusive mentioned are great for quick wipe down.
You can line the bottom with cheap paper towels for easy clean up too. Works great. Move very very slowly while cleaning and talk softly to them.

If there is any way to line up open doors of the cages, some have had success doing that to transfer to another cage.

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Thought I better come back and add that the new pretty scented bleaches they have out now days does NOT disinfect. If using bleach for disinfecting it needs to be the regular chlorine bleach..NOT the good smelling stuff.
Rinse rinse RINSE...and rinse again smile


Thank you very much for the info and adding with the edit smile Pineapple is in the cage and looks so small and cute laugh Also I'm surprised to see whoot lol


Edited by Pineapple (06/26/12 09:10 PM)

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#424038 - 06/26/12 10:11 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: illusive Fantasy]
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Originally Posted By: illusive Fantasy
LOL good for you ...just never expected HER if it is a HER to be the escapee' however she may have wanted out that bad laugh ya never know...and where it happened fast ...nugget was clueless as to what was happening till AFTER it happened...

they will have lots of chirps back and forth communicating now with each other...so your house will be full of lovely little noises now than before but it will settle down a lil later...and be sure the cages are not set up too close to each other because if ..IF...one is sick the sneezes or anything airborne can also transmit a disease but...that being said...there is not so much a chance of contamination...i would go so far as at least for the quarantine time put each cage in a different room it will also make for easier training...

or at very least if the room is large enough just place the cages on opposite walls..and be sure during this time..should either come out if training goes well and you can let them out...make sure now there is NO visiting to each others cage during out time or you just threw everything out the window..

well done...on getting the deed done...and sounds like with minimal stress also...so its as they say "all good" smile


Do you have any tips or steps on hand training? I have read dozens of books and tons of peoples stuff online ,but I can never find anything that seems to work (I tried with Nugget). I just wanna make sure I do it right smile

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#424040 - 06/26/12 10:26 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: Pineapple]
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You're welcome pineapple.
LOL Had to laugh at the way you got her in to the other cage. Couldn't have worked better if you'd planned it that way! haha

They'll eventually settle down on their own cages and be just fine.

I would start right at square one with training...just get each of them used to your hand being in the cage.
Get yourself comfy and just hold your hand still in the cage, resting on a perch s/he is on and just talk softly. Maybe 15 mins or so for each bird 2-3 times/day.
As they get used to your hand just being there, then slooowly move it closer and STOP if they seem upset by it. Again hold still. Eventually you will be able to get your hand right up to them....then we can move on from there.

Congrats on the transfer...very well done!
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#424041 - 06/26/12 10:35 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: kksuns]
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Originally Posted By: kksuns
You're welcome pineapple.
LOL Had to laugh at the way you got her in to the other cage. Couldn't have worked better if you'd planned it that way! haha

They'll eventually settle down on their own cages and be just fine.

I would start right at square one with training...just get each of them used to your hand being in the cage.
Get yourself comfy and just hold your hand still in the cage, resting on a perch s/he is on and just talk softly. Maybe 15 mins or so for each bird 2-3 times/day.
As they get used to your hand just being there, then slooowly move it closer and STOP if they seem upset by it. Again hold still. Eventually you will be able to get your hand right up to them....then we can move on from there.

Congrats on the transfer...very well done!


Yeah it went perfectly like in a novel or something lol I couldn't have asked for anything better smile I know about the hand in the cage thing but usually where people vary is step 2. Some people suggest taking a perch and very very gently pushing under their belly until they put a foot on it. Then eventually they get on it and you praise them all while slowly moving your grasp on the perch up each time until you finger is there. Then using your finger abandoning the perch. What are your thoughts on that? And once again I don't mean to be a nag frown

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#424042 - 06/26/12 11:12 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: Pineapple]
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lol ur not nagging at all ...inquiring minds are great when it comes to training because all this time spent moving slowly is what will stick with them long range down the road and TRUST is everything in achieving that...so no rush doing this ..a few good months means YEARS of trust ...so dont get impatient...and yu will have a velcro bird...

get your hand training down first...doing it the way described and noooooooo on doing that with the perch ...it needs to be done the same way...BUT the only difference is you wouldnt rest the perch on a perch ...you would just hold it a few inches below the perch they sit on...and when they get comfortable putting the hairy eyeball on it and you doing that then you can raise it up a inch...till finally you are right at their belly or foot level...they will get the idea and perch training usually goes faster as its something they recognize and trust for the most ...

eventually you will be able to gently touch the feet with it or tummy and they will step up...

always praise for sure...they understand the excitment in your voice and i found a little head bob like they do also is very much understood as hey she likes when i do this...

perch training is something thats a must as you never know when you may need to reach for your bird well over your head with a branch or perch and when they know the perch they will readily accept a branch/stick as well...

always say the same words over n over when you do any of this as thats also a way to begin voice training for them to learn to talk...and associate what you want with the words.

for now tho give them both more time just to settle down ...they have had a lot going on and so id wait another week to even start with any training...they need to be quiet in thier cages when you do other chores like feeding ...watering...changing out the liners etc ...when they are thats a good indication they are ready to begin to HAND train i personally do not agree with finger training myself...offering the entire back of your hand leaves less to nip on...oh and they will taste test you on this...but they cant nip you like if you used a finger ...it also offers them more of a area to step on which is reassuring them... smile


Edited by illusive Fantasy (06/26/12 11:13 PM)
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#424047 - 06/27/12 01:01 AM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: illusive Fantasy]
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They have been pretty quiet since the cage transfer except a few chirps. The nugget has always been a quiet bird since I got him though. He really only chirps to the song Beautiful Girls by Stand by me or some acoustic songs smile Also I've seen Pineapple eat but I haven't seen the water bowl touched yet frown

I guess I'm mostly just nervous because I only have experience with cage broken in birds if that makes sense ouo


Edited by Pineapple (06/27/12 01:55 AM)

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#424048 - 06/27/12 11:00 AM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: Pineapple]
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they dont do much water especially if your giving fresh veggie and they eat those otherwise as mentioned be sure water and food cups are at the END of perches..if you havent tried any fresh veggies when you do clip to the OUTSIDE of the cage first so it doesnt frighten them and gives them a chance to explore reaching thru bars to sample what that thing is....lettuce is useless so not that but kale ..heads of brocolli...no chard its loaded with salt and birds cant absorb or digest it and this can kill...the salt that is...SOME spinach leaves...not to much of those...carrot tops...the leafy part...just start with a few and it may also take forever for them to learn about that an you have to also teach by making believe your eating it too...

in fact take nothing for granted they need to be shown EVERYTHING.

have you any toys yet...if so you need to teach them how to play with them and you can do that when changing out seed an water etc..be sure you dump seed every two day as it will look full but be may only the empty hulls...change water if not in a silo fountain everyday...they love the liberty bell toys and they are the safe bells the round sleighbell type are not...besure to place toys against the cage wires...better that way no accidents...

sit by their cages even while not training yet and talk or READ something to them its not to early to teach to talk...that itself may take a month before you hear the first word...they learn words beginning with P'S AND B'S fastest...speak slowly and clearly because when they talk they speed it up lol..

good they are quiet thats actually great....

when u do go to teach talking dont have the music on..


Edited by illusive Fantasy (06/27/12 11:02 AM)
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#424049 - 06/27/12 01:02 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: illusive Fantasy]
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Nugget actually knows how to Say cutie but he is just lazy about doing it xD and he also mimicks the laugh track in the back of comedy shows because I had a Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother kick lol smile I do have the food and water bowls at the end of the perch Pineapple seems to enjoy the most. I'm going to buy toys for the both of them on Friday when I get my paycheck I wanna look at them a bit because I wanna avoid toys they can get tangled in they don't deserve that frown

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#424050 - 06/27/12 01:53 PM Re: New Parakeet with old Parakeet and cleaning [Re: Pineapple]
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you maybe have things already right in your house you can make toys with or give as toys...

for instance ya know the little plastic clip ties on breads and pastries they are different colors and square or rectangular heck cappy loves those and all i do it clip them to the bars...sometimes in ones sometimes ill put multiply ones in same spot...

do you have reg white cotton string...string some colored buttons thru them with maybe some craft beads and empty thread spools...and plastic bottle caps...you dont really need to buy toys many of us have made toys like this...just a little thought can go a longggggg way to making toys...thread the thread thru colored plastic straws and put a cap or button on the end...etc...or a few beads...its works lol ...see that baby rattle in one of cappys pic's cheaper online than in a store an he does lil nasties with it lol...got videos showing him rocking the boat giggle...you can see part of the lil cat ball to that has a bell inside ...buy one string of those and separate them...put one on the floor of each cage and when they begin to come out you can put them on a table or floor and watch them play the FLINGGGG GAME..

ya should see some of the toys made that dont cost a dime...

keep saying cutie to nugget and add cuttie bird or cuttie boy...should get him going cuz once they learn one or two or three words they are off like gang busters. laugh


Edited by illusive Fantasy (06/27/12 01:57 PM)
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