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#424183 - 07/26/12 01:16 PM God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband
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The theory

Christians call Jesus Son of God but in The Quran God stresses that Jesus was human. There is ample evidence that the texts of the Gospels have been changed and that the role of Mary Magdalene has been altered. Jesus was a reincarnation of Adam while Mary Magdalene was a reincarnation of Eve. In the original creation story Eve was not made out of the rib of Adam but Eve gave birth to Adam. This is the reason why Eve was called Mother of All the Living. For 6,000 years God has hidden Her identity.

In the Gospel Adam is named Son of God while Jesus is called firstborn of all creation. This means that Adam was born and that Eve was God. The Gospel also states that Christians are children of God and born of God, which implies that God is a Mother and that the text has been altered later. The love of God Jesus was speaking of, is the love of a Goddess for Her husband. Jesus was born in the same way Adam was born, from a woman without the seed of a man. Eve and Adam have been around many times. Noah was a husband of God, like Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David and Mohammed. Reincarnations of Eve and Adam also played a significant role in history outside The Bible.

This universe is a holographic virtual reality based on the universe God is living in. Our universe is controlled by a programme that is running for approximately 6,000 years. God is a woman and She can assume roles in Her own universe. The purpose of this universe is to provide entertainment for Her. The world God comes from may have come about by accident and the laws of natural selection may apply there. The gods produced an advanced civilisation, became immortal and entertain themselves with holographic virtual realities like this universe.


The evidence

The following evidence is in the scriptures:
- Christians are considered to be children of God and born of God (John 1:12-13) so God was a Mother before the text was altered.
- Adam is referred to as son of God (Luke 3:38), Jesus as firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15) and Jesus was with God in the beginning (John 1:2) so Adam was born and Jesus was a reincarnation of Adam.
- After having created the humans on the sixth day in Genesis 1, God appears to have started over again by creating Adam and Eve in Genesis 2. This indicates that the text has been changed.
- Adam calling his wife Eve because She would become mother of all the living also suggests tampering.
- The Quran mentions the creation of Adam extensively but does not mention the creation of Eve, which may indicate that Eve was never created.
- The Quran mentions that Jesus and Adam were created in a similar way (Quran: 3:59). They were both born from a virgin.
- The repeated reference in the Gnostic texts of Mary Magdalene being loved by Jesus more than the others indicates that the Beloved Disciple in the Gospel of John was originally Mary Magdalene before the text was redacted.
- The last chapter of the gospel of John appears to be added later to suggest that the Beloved Disciple was John as the previous chapter already has closing lines (John 20:30-31).
- There apparently had been rumours that the Beloved Disciple had become immortal (John 21:23). If the Beloved Disciple was Mary Magdalene and if She was God then this would have made sense.
- The love of God Jesus was speaking of (John 17:23-26) therefore was the love of a Goddess for Her husband.
- John the Baptist talks in the Gospel (John 3:27-29) in terms of himself as a best man with the implication that Jesus the bridegroom is coming to meet his bride, but there is nothing specific to identify the bride (see also: Luke 5:34, Matt. 9:15).
- It was customary for a Jewish rabbi to be married and the apostles called him rabbi (Mark 11:21).
- The marriage described in the Gospel of John (John 2:2-8) could be the wedding of Jesus because at a Jewish wedding guests normally do not give orders.
- Jesus started doing miracles at this wedding, which may indicate that he was married to God.


The scheme of God hiding Her identity

The Virgin Mary veneration may have stemmed from the veneration of saints and martyrs in early Christianity. As prayers were addressed to saints, there were also prayers directed to the mother of Jesus. Over time Virgin Mary became the most prominent saint. Later on statues and images of Virgin Mary have been made similar to mother goddesses like Isis. It all seems to have been planned by God despite the fact that God forbade the use of images in worship (Ex. 20:4-5). The Mother Goddess Mary, who had been eliminated from the Gospel, re-entered the Church via a back door. The birth of Jesus from Virgin Mary resembles the birth of Adam from Eve. As more and more prayers were directed to Virgin Mary, she became a proxy for God.

Jesus is called Son of Mary in The Quran (Quran 19:34), while Christians call him Son of God. This reference excludes the possibility of God being the father of Jesus but it also points at the fact that the name of God was Mary, a secret only known to God. In The Quran Sura 74 named The Hidden Secret or The Cloaked One it is suggested that the number 19 contains a hidden secret (Quran 74:30). There has been a controversy surrounding this secret, which should provide evidence that The Quran is a message from God. The hidden secret is also translated as a man wearing a cloak. Sura 19 is named Mary while God is a woman even though most people think that She is a man. The hidden secret is that God was named Mary and that Sura 19 is a secret key that reveals Her identity.

The St. Mary of Zion Church in Ethiopia claims to contain the original Ark of the Covenant. According to tradition, the Ark came to Ethiopia with Menelik I after visiting his father King Solomon. In the 1950's the Emperor Haile Selassie built a new modern Cathedral next to the old Cathedral of Our Lady Mary of Zion that was open to both men and women. The old church remains accessible only to men, as Mary symbolised by the Ark of the Covenant allegedly resting in its chapel, is the only woman allowed within its compound. The Ark of the Covenant was the residence of the spirit of God (JHWH), so this is a remarkable coincidence because God was also named Mary.

More about this theory:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/investigations.html

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#424197 - 07/29/12 02:46 PM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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Originally Posted By: niphtrique
.... In the original creation story Eve was not made out of the rib of Adam but Eve gave birth to Adam....


Hi Niphtrique smile

Which 'creation story' was that?
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#424207 - 07/30/12 06:00 AM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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Maybe I should say unedited.

Based on the evidence I am convinced that Genesis 2 has been changed.

However I can only speculate about the original text.

Most likely it did not reveal that Eve was God.


Edited by niphtrique (07/30/12 06:02 AM)

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#424208 - 07/30/12 11:22 AM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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Hi again smile

After all those years, I'm guessing that there have been lots of changes.

Furthermore, I understand that the Adam and Eve story was not the first of the Biblical books, anyway, so I think that much of what people believe is speculation.


Edited by PDM (07/30/12 11:23 AM)
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#424213 - 07/30/12 02:54 PM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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I think that apart from Genesis 2 and 3 not much has been modified in the Torah. But that is speculation. The Gospels have been edited to a great extent. For this there is sufficient evidence.




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#424220 - 07/30/12 09:27 PM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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everything stated about texts thousands of years old is speculation. and as the contents of these books are quasi fictional cultural allegorical doctrines dealing with fictional charactes like god jesus and rhama. anything stated about their contents is also speculation, so you're speculating on speculation. very thin ice.

i'm not saying this to snipe, i just don't find it appropriate to speak of these things in terms of evidence and theories. these words belong to provable scientific enquiry.

anyone would be naive to believe a religious text of any age hasn't been edited to siut the agendas of the day. this is true for every religious text there is- and i have read several of them. besides christianity islam and judaism are on many levels gross misinterpretations of their original texts (as i suspect all religions are), so i remain to be convinced there is that much of a discussion to be had on this. sorry.


Edited by janimal (07/30/12 09:28 PM)
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#424221 - 07/30/12 10:38 PM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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??? Im Confused. But I get that way so often anymore.

I could go with God being a woman because I just cannot see man as a fertile entity but the rest is a little confusing and pretty much all religious texts are bullcrap unless they are in stone and carbon dated to the period.
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#424228 - 07/31/12 06:11 AM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: Mongrel]
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Originally Posted By: Mongrel
??? Im Confused. But I get that way so often anymore.

I could go with God being a woman because I just cannot see man as a fertile entity but the rest is a little confusing and pretty much all religious texts are bullcrap unless they are in stone and carbon dated to the period.


If you are interested in evidence, there is evidence indicating that this universe is a virtual reality. We seem to be simulations of humans. God could be a real human and this universe could be Her "second life".

http://www.naturalmoney.org/coincidents.html

Evidence is not proof so you may see things differently.

For Genesis there is not much to back it up, but there is circumstantial evidence indicating that Joseph has really lived (and this could corroborate Genesis starting from Abraham):

http://www.naturalmoney.org/full-theory.html#jose


Edited by niphtrique (07/31/12 06:16 AM)

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#424229 - 07/31/12 06:27 AM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: janimal]
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Originally Posted By: janimal
everything stated about texts thousands of years old is speculation. and as the contents of these books are quasi fictional cultural allegorical doctrines dealing with fictional charactes like god jesus and rhama. anything stated about their contents is also speculation, so you're speculating on speculation. very thin ice.

i'm not saying this to snipe, i just don't find it appropriate to speak of these things in terms of evidence and theories. these words belong to provable scientific enquiry.

anyone would be naive to believe a religious text of any age hasn't been edited to siut the agendas of the day. this is true for every religious text there is- and i have read several of them. besides christianity islam and judaism are on many levels gross misinterpretations of their original texts (as i suspect all religions are), so i remain to be convinced there is that much of a discussion to be had on this. sorry.


There are some issues that you ignore:
1. If religious texts are considered to be sacred then they are unlikely to be edited for political purposes.
2. It is unlikely that a fictional character named Jesus would get so many followers if everything just happened by accident.
3. Science is not the only domain for theories. Detectives do the same to solve crime and this investigation is more like the work of a detective than the work of a scientist.

I am not in the business of convincing people. That is quite useless. People can only convince themselves. However there are some issues scientific people ignore. Religions, supernatural phenomena, unusual coincidences and scientific findings all indicate that we live in a non-material virtual reality. The Duck Test is sometimes used to counter arguments that something is not what it appears to be, but the Duck Test also can be used to show that nothing is what it appears to be. According to the Duck Test:

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

If it looks like a virtual reality, and behaves like a virtual reality, then it probably is a virtual reality. Many scientists tend to ignore phenomena that cannot be explained. This is partially because scientific knowledge can only be achieved using a scientific method, which often fails to proof the existence of supernatural phenomena. Another handicap of scientists is that most of them hold a materialist world view and look for material explanations. Consequently many scientists tend to search for psychological explanations for supernatural experiences.

The existence of God can be proven beyond reasonable doubt as it is unlikely that by pure chance a religion of a small and often dispersed people survives for more than 1,500 years and then becomes the basis for three major world religions while it has been foretold to Abraham that all the peoples will be blessed in him (Gen. 18:17-18). No other deity made such a promise and no other deity presented himself or herself, while in the past thousands of gods and goddesses have been worshipped.

Often there are two methods applied on religion: accepting religious dogmas or using the scientific method. The scientific method cannot prove that God does not exist but neither can religion prove that God does exist. My investigation into religion resembles the work of a detective: finding a logical consistent theory that explains all the facts. About the facts there can still be dispute.

About this universe being a virtual reality:

http://www.naturalmoney.org/coincidents.html


Edited by niphtrique (07/31/12 06:30 AM)

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#424230 - 07/31/12 10:13 AM Re: God is a woman and Jesus was Her husband [Re: niphtrique]
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Originally Posted By: niphtrique

There are some issues that you ignore:
1. If religious texts are considered to be sacred then they are unlikely to be edited for political purposes.


if you truly believe this then you misunderstand human nature. we are tribal and each tribe seeks dominance. religions represent tribal allegiances and organised religion is the application of power and control over a particular tribe. sacred' texts are human constructs and not immune to political manipulation and editing, as you yourself are stating in your opening post. i am not sure where you are disagreeing with me here.

Originally Posted By: niphtrique

2. It is unlikely that a fictional character named Jesus would get so many followers if everything just happened by accident.


show me one single piece of evidence that jesus was a real person who actually existed. i have been reaing about this stuff for well over 20 years and as far as i know there is no such evidence. All the evidence suggests jesus was and is fictional.

i am not sure on your meaning of 'everything happened by accident' but if you think that fiction does not form a basis for mass hysteria, check out some star trek fans. no different.


Originally Posted By: niphtrique

Science is not the only domain for theories. Detectives do the same to solve crime and this investigation is more like the work of a detective than the work of a scientist.


you need to look up the definition of theory. if you are talking about scientific therory then this needs to be a proposition supported by reproducible evidence and experimental results. otherwise you are not talking about a theory, you are talking about a phantasm. scientific enquiry cannot be applied at any level to sacred texts, as by their very nature they hide their own editing history.

i suspect you do not know much about scientific method - i do, as i used to be a process chemist.

Originally Posted By: niphtrique

Religions, supernatural phenomena, unusual coincidences and scientific findings all indicate that we live in a non-material virtual reality.


rubbish, garbage, hokum, hogwash. religions are part of our tribal programming which is why they are abandoned by more advanced societies. unusual coincidences - please.... as for scientific findings. what findings?? references? i suspect more hokum.

Originally Posted By: niphtrique

Many scientists tend to ignore phenomena that cannot be explained.


yes this does go on, but only due to financial agendas and it in no way supports your waffle.

Originally Posted By: niphtrique

This is partially because scientific knowledge can only be achieved using a scientific method, which often fails to proof the existence of supernatural phenomena. Another handicap of scientists is that most of them hold a materialist world view and look for material explanations. Consequently many scientists tend to search for psychological explanations for supernatural experiences.


science fails to prove supernatural phenomena because there is no mechanism to discover in the real world. and psychological explanations are the only explanations for 'supernatural' or 'religious' experinces as god originates from inside the human brain. this is well proven.

Originally Posted By: niphtrique

The existence of God can be proven beyond reasonable doubt


no it can't. people have been trying to do this for millenia and have consistently failed. if you think you have proof i'd be very interested to see it. as would the rest of humanity. lol....

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