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#424832 - 09/26/12 11:24 PM Civilized Man vs Savage
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I try to be as promotional of free speech as I can, but I am upset by this ad they have in NYC subways -

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/activist...-subway-poster/

The ad portrays the Israeli situation as a "war between the civilized man and the savage".

It bothers me to have promotional material denigrating a group of people like that.

Thoughts?
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#424845 - 09/27/12 11:52 AM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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That ad is a classic example of the "Being taught what to think rather than how to think". All it does is feed fears and encourage simplistic thinking. frown

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#424852 - 09/28/12 05:32 AM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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&%$£ israel!!! this is absolutely typical of zionist propaganda, which represents possibly the most abhorrent apartheid state politics ever implemented. the treatment of palestinians by israel is worse than that suffered by blacks in south africa, and i would even say worse in the long run than the genocides committed by bosnian serbs. and before i get this moronic argument thrown at me again: i am not antisemitic, a racist or a jew hater. i am anti israel. what i hate is oppressive states who murder children as a matter of routine and treat the indigenous population like crap, even often describing them as dogs. as i speak, netanyahu is in front to the un making the case for war on iran. israels desire to vapourise iran is no secret - they have attacked every other one of their neighbours. and its a sad endictment of the weakness of the un that israel should clearly be drop kicked into the corner over warcrimes but there is no will to do anything of the sort. i have nothing against jews on basis of their jewishness. but i abhore the terrorism and opression based oriented politics israel stands for and think its about time that the world stop bowing to the isreali lobby and tells them to get $£%&ed!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: GRRRRRRRRR|!!!
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#424855 - 09/28/12 05:46 PM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Ninjahedgewych -

I agree, and to me it is a shame to call *any* group of people anywhere "savages" as if their way of life was inherently wrong. Certainly a given person can take actions we disapprove of, but to say that an entire group is of a lower order? This is exactly what I had hoped our world had moved beyond.
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#424856 - 09/28/12 06:04 PM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Dear Janimal -

I would guess that part of the challenge is that people feel so "guilty" over what Jewish people in WWII had to go through. So now that there is a state all about "making amends" there is an uncomfortable feeling when it comes to watching that country behave in a less-than-wonderful way.
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#424867 - 09/29/12 04:28 AM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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yep, the world is paralysed with collective guilt, and tolerating a country which runs an apartheid state, has a fascist government and acts on a racist agenda.

here is a picture of some idf cadets


and here is a well know picture of the hitler youth


am i the only one seeing disturbing similarities here??
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#424894 - 09/30/12 03:20 PM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Unbiased as I am cool , I think that it is obvious why we are almost always embroiled in some kind of a conflict in the middle east and that is because of the Christian influence in our culture, however, according to the bible, for the returning Christ to return the state of Israel must be destroyed so why the US allows Israel to determine it's foreign policy is way over my head but they do.

The Muslim is naturally an enemy of the US because he is an enemy of progress. Most Muslims are fundamentalists, perhaps not ride a donkey to work fundis but they have there own idea about how they want their land and commerce to work meaning that they will not give in to capitalist influences and they will always view anyone that does as a threat.

I guess most people have not noticed but just about any nation that does not comply with the US on treaties, economics or even politics winds up in the crosshairs of the UN or the US military itself and then eventually winds up obliterated. I could spend the entire day giving examples of this very thing though the history is there and all one has to do is open the pages of history and take a deep breath.

Today there is a media war and that war starts with "Posters" like the one named in this post. I can give a good example in the movie "Inglorious B_stards". Have you seen that movie? - Because if you have then you understand what I mean! I would like to have a five dollar bill for every time I have ever heard the term Anti-Semite, or the bloody term Jewish Holocaust because I would go and buy a little island off of the coast of New York called Manhattan and Demolish it.

We never hear of the other historical "Holocausts" that history hides beneath it's cloak like the Native Americans, the Irish or Scottish, Ukrainian, Tibetan, Chinese, Armenian, Rwandan, Romanian or even the one that Israel is perpetrating right now on the People of Palestine just so they can steal their land.

Many groups believe that the Jewish groups manipulate media to their advantage and have for a very long time. I have found myself intrigued by this theory so much that I have spent weeks researching the "Big Money" in Hollywood and even the historical aspects of media and by media I mean the telling of stories that relate us to that imaginary world of fiction from the days of the Bible to the present.

Here's a short list created by some ad junkie:

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_jew100.html

and he has not even included the two trillion dollars worth of influential people in Hollywood from Abdul to WeizenBaum the names include people like Spielberg, Stein and Goldberg(not Whoopi) that just happen to attend temple on Saturday.
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#424981 - 10/04/12 06:56 PM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Dear Janimal -

I think it would be easy for us to find photos of most any military academy or similar group and show comparisons to a similar Nazi group. So I think making that kind of direct comparison is too generic.

It probably makes more sense to look at specific policies they are enacting, and why we disagree with them.
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#424982 - 10/04/12 07:02 PM Re: Civilized Man vs Savage [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Dear Mongrel -

I haven't seen Inglorious; I try to stay away from movies that are violent. I used to get nightmares from them so in general now I try to just not watch them. Bob did tell me some about it and it sounds interesting but also upsetting. Probably just as well I didn't see it.

It's true, I'm Ukrainian and the Ukrainian deaths were not even reported by many people. There have definitely been many mass-deaths over the years that were ignored. The US Trail of Tears wasn't that long ago, historically speaking, and that is pretty staggering, what we did. Can you imagine if a nation did that today? Hopefully there would be a huge outcry.

I'm not sure that any religion is all X or all Y. Individual people are all so unique. That being said, I do also think that individual rules or small groups of rulers can have powerful agendas that they then inflict on larger groups. So while for example I wouldn't generalize all Catholics to be X, I do agree that the Pope and his close group has an agenda which then affects the world (even non-Catholics).

And since it's probably quite improbable that those leaders would really care what *non* Catholics (or Muslims or Buddhists or whatever) would have to say to them, it is then the responsibility for the religion's followers to pay attention to what is going on and speak out.

I.e. if a Papal policy is harming people, but most Catholics ignore it and don't do anything, who else could possibly enact a change?
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