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#81447 - 04/18/06 12:20 PM Re: Last Supper observation - Bread (& other food) on the Table.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Haddock:
Wouldn't people back in the ancient Middle East have eaten UNleavened bread?

That's mostly what they eat in that part of the world nowadays.

I always thought that communion hosts were supposed to be a representation of the bread eaten at the last supper (i.e unleavened).
My assumption was that, as Jerusalem was part of the Roman Empire, they might have eaten 'Roman'-style bread. I suppose that the locals might well have preferred their own traditional bread, though. Can we know?

I'm guessing that unleavened bread might be used for Passover - but I can't be sure. There is some uncertainty as to whether 'The Last Supper' was a 'Passover' meal.

I believe that the Communion host is supposed to represent the bread of The Last Supper, but one can only assume that the Church was guessing at what it actually looked like, as Leonardo must have been guessing for his painting - an educated guess perhaps? confused

I don't know how much the Communion 'host' has changed over the centuries. It would be interesting to find out more about this.
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#81448 - 04/18/06 01:28 PM Re: Last Supper observation - Bread (& other food) on the Table.
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I found this a typical modern Passover or Seder plate:

Quote:
Seder Table

(Assemble around table -- don't eat yet.) All recline around the SEDER table, because reclining around the table was a sign of a free man. Everything on the table has a significance.

On the SEDER plate there is:

Hard boiled egg - symbol of the suffering and oppression in Egypt. Everything else in boiling water becomes soft or disintegrates. But an egg becomes hard, like the Israelites. The more it is boiled, the harder it becomes. An egg also symbolizes New Life.
Roasted shankbone of lamb - reminds them there had to be blood sacrificed to save their lives.
Bitter herbs - horseradish - reminds them they were servants to slavery.
Greens - parsley, celery - symbol of coming of Spring which brings hope.
Salt water - reminds them of the tears they cried in Egypt.
Haroset - nut, apple, cinnamon, wine mixture which has the appearance of straw in remembrance of the mortar used to build the Treasure Cities for Pharaoh. It is symbolic of the hope of freedom that enabled their ancestors to withstand the bitterness of slavery.
Matzah - the unleavened bread that reminds them of the haste with which they left Egypt.
Oops just found the information Lisa also provided regarding Passover--Sorry to duplicate the info.

Not only is unleavened bread a vital part of the meal--all leavening must be removed from the home prior to Passover.

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Every year before the Passover, an Orthodox Jewish family will eat up as much as possible all the foods in their house not processed or packaged for the Passover. This is to remove all the leaven from the house - any fermented grain product, starter dough, breads, cakes, cookies, yeast, (baking soda and baking powder). What cannot be eaten is sold to a non-Jew. Not only can a Jew not eat any leaven during Passover week, he can't have it in his house or even own any leaven. They do usually go and buy back their products after the festival. Leaven is an emblem of sin, corruption. Paul refers to it as that in 1 Corinthians 5:6-8.

The final search for leaven is made the night before the Passover (PESAH). Traditionally a candle, feather and bag are used for this final search. Every member of the family is to participate in this search. Every nook and cranny of every floor, shelf, cupboard is inspected for the minutest grain of bread crumbs or leavening. Any dust found is swept up with the feather (like a broom) into the bag for fear it might contain a grain of leavening. Traditionally, 10 pieces of leavened bread are hidden throughout the house and the ritual is not complete until the family has found the 10 pieces. All that was found is burnt the next morning before the Passover begins.

So think DaVinci got it wrong when he showed rolls--I think it would have been unleavened (Matzo) bread at the Last Supper--not raised rolls. Religious tradition (for those who choose to believe) says that the Last Supper was a Seder, and that is why unleavened bread (crackers) is used as the Communion host.
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#81449 - 04/18/06 02:19 PM Re: Last Supper observation - Bread (& other food) on the Table.
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Thanks Kateyes. That was really interesting.

'So think DaVinci got it wrong when he showed rolls--I think it would have been unleavened (Matzo) bread at the Last Supper--not raised rolls. Religious tradition (for those who choose to believe) says that the Last Supper was a Seder, and that is why unleavened bread (crackers) is used as the Communion host.'[Kateyes]

But Leonardo might not have got it wrong; religious tradition might have it wrong. As I said, I understand that there is some question over whether 'The Last Supper' actually was the 'Passover meal'.

As you quote:

'Every year before the Passover, an Orthodox Jewish family will eat up as much as possible all the foods in their house not processed or packaged for the Passover. This is to remove all the leaven from the house', which indicates that there must be some pre-Passover meals, too - in readiness. The 'Last Supper' could have been one of these.

This subject is mentioned here:

Topic: Passover Dinner
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000113#000000

Topic: WAS THE "LAST SUPPER" THE PASSOVER MEAL?
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000114#000000

Topic: The Last Supper - passover?
http://www.wineintro.com/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000076#000000
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#81450 - 04/18/06 02:33 PM Re: Last Supper observation - Bread (& other food) on the Table.
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Here are some quotes from Lisa's info page:

'Depending on how you translate the words of Luke 22:15, it actually says that Jesus longs to eat Passover with them - but that he will be unable to because Passover is TOMORROW NIGHT.'

'Leonardo DaVinci is very clear about what he is portraying. The bread on the table is leavened - that means it is fluffy with yeast, not flat. A traditional Passover meal would have flat bread.'

http://www.lisashea.com/hobbies/art/passover.html
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