I am not making blank points .I give resons and clear ones. Rosary beads involve the worship of Mary who was not born of the holy spirit.Jesus told us clearly only to worship him and his father. Got the message...PDM thats a reason not blank negative critcism.Rosary beads are offensive to jesus and god.We should only pray and worship the son of god and his father absolutely noone or anything else.YOU CAN READ AND REASONABLY INTERPRET THAT.OR SHOULD I WRITE IT 100 TIMES FOR YOU.
The next point I made was that the roman catholic church involves confession of sin to a priest.
Never did jesus ask what a sin a person had done when forgiving sin and healing.He taught that we should forgive sin without question. The roman catholic church expects detailed confession of sin to gain advantage and power over the people.Its a mind control method using guilt They break the rules laid down by jesus.
Give me one instance in the bible of all the healings that jesus did were he asked them what sin they had committed,and the same for his disciples.They healed people lovingly unconditionally without question.
MARK 3:18 THE MOTHER AND BROTHERS OF JESUS ARRIVED.STANDING OUTSIDE,THEY SENT SOMEONE IN TO CALL HIM.YOUR MOTHER AND BROTHERS ARE OUTSIDE LOOKING FOR YOU. "WHO ARE MY MY MOTHER AND BROTHERS?HE ASKED.THEN HE LOOKED AT THOSE SEATED AROUND HIM AND SAID."HERE ARE MY MOTHER AND BROTHERS.WHOEVER DOES GODS WILL IS MY BROTHER SISTER AND MOTHER. He did not want any of his family to get special traetment after his death especially and they were just the same as other people .He did not want that we make icons from any of his family especially of his mother. In matthew 6 :5 he told us to pray only to him and the holy father.We may take part in the holy communion with drinking of wine and taking of bread.
I am not on the side of those who break the laws of jesus and that is why I do not agree with the policy of the roman catholic church in the respect of the points that I have made with reasons given very clearly.It my right to to point out those contradictions as it ruins many lives with such practices Praying to mary with rosary beads and confessing of sin to a priest are not christian at all.
FINALLY JESUS ALSO SAID. FORGIVE THEM FATHER ,FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.
Recognise only jesus ,as he said everyone else is just a brother sister or mother who does god will.Only he should be placed above everyone else. Confess to no other person ,all are sinners,but sins may be forgiven in the name of jesus without question,just as jesus and the disciples practiced.
As for mr slim ,I have said many times why those beads bother me.Nothing to do with word of jesus as explained above and in all the other posts.
Ok Mr Slim I was Church of england so you could label me anglican catholic if you like but its still a protestant church.I am protestant in true sense as I not need any organised church ,
The royal family get loads of stuff.Its one of the perks.But the issue with the rosary bead was it was given with condition,not to satisfy her but the ulterior motive of the catholic church to promote itself.It was a kind of advertising for them. In diplomatic terms it was regarded as being very bad mannered.
I did some looking into this--it seems a rosary is a fairly standard gift presented by the Pope to visitors--regardless of thier personal beliefs. Given that--I do not see how the rosary was an insult--bad mannered or sneaky--as you said it was in a box--so it is not as though he flashed it around or forced it upon her--he just presented the box which contained a rosary. I believe the Queen has been presented with fertility idols in Africa and wasn't insulted.
I do not view this as any different that a friend I have who became a Jesuit--when I was leaving on a trip that had some potential for danger he gave me a St. Christopher medal--because he figured every little bit helps. I still wear it because of the intent behind the gift--not because of what the gift represents. I believe that is why the Pope presents rosaries. I have another friend who was gifted a rosary--who is not Roman Catholic (or any kind of Catholic)--but he carries it in his pocket and uses it like worry beads.
"When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. And that is my religion." Abraham Lincoln
Jesus wanted that we only pray to him and the holy father.He mentioned nothing of using these beads especially in regard to prayer and respect for his earthly mother.
The words of jesus are all we should follow and believe in him and worship him and the holy father.Confess our sins only to him and the holy father and no earthly authorities.They may forgive our sin in the name of jesus but may do not have the right to inquire into the nature of our sin. Rosary are offensive to protestants as explained in precvious post.We regard them as anti christian, against the teachings and actions of jesus.As fully explained in previous post.Queen was very offended,but she had to be diplomatic in that situation.we detest that kind of thing.I would never lay my hands on one. Worship jesus and god only.Pray only to them.
Rosary are offensive to protestants as explained in precvious post.We regard them as anti christian, against the teachings and actions of jesus.As fully explained in previous post.Queen was very offended,but she had to be diplomatic in that situation.we detest that kind of thing.I would never lay my hands on one. Worship jesus and god only. Pray only to them.
Okay I am going to get blasted on this one--How do YOU know the Queen was offended--I do not recall anything be said when this occurred. As I also stated the Queen has received other gifts with religious significance to others (but not to her) and was not offended). I am a Protestant and certainly have many negative views and opinions of the Roman Catholic Church--but would not carry it so far as to refuse a gift, ie refuse to touch a rosary (which is only an object and has no significance unless you believe it does).
As a Protestant--I would prefer you did not make blanket statements how "we" all feel or claim to speak for all Protestants. There are many Protestants in the world and not all of us are as closed-minded to other religions as you appear to be.
"When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. And that is my religion." Abraham Lincoln
You have started a thread about a gift of a rosary to the Queen from the Pope - and we are discussing it.
You have included comments on the relationship - or lack of such - between the Anglican & RC churches.
'Rosary beads involve the worship of Mary who was not born of the holy spirit. Jesus told us clearly only to worship him and his father. Got the message...PDM thats a reason not blank negative critcism' [freejohn]
Yes that is a reason but you have also peppered your posts with insulting criticisms of a rather general nature:
'as always even today the catholic establishment showed its bad manners'
'The pope and his boys tried to pull a sly one which is typical of them'
'that old man in italy your pope'
'the guy in the frock'
'not my kind of people in all that fancy dress'
'The boys in the frocks in the vatican they are a big sin party.'
'The bad guys always play bad and never seem to give it up. Thank god we are free of them'
'ready to deliver a good old right foot to the boys in frocks to return to the that old boot in the meditterean'
~No stereotypes and derogatory Statements.
~Be as truthful and accurate as you can in your statements.
I hope that you have now read all rules and guidelines.
As I have said, we can have criticism of the RC church, but it must be presented logically ~ not as general insults.
We already have some threads where we discuss Rom,an Catholicism and they might interest you, but you must ensure that you are aware of all the rules before posting ~ and that you keep to them. Thank you.
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Ok PDM, It seems that you cannot find fault with the reasons I gave for rosary beads being unchristian and confession to a priest likewise in accordance with the teachings and examples set by jesus christ. Consequently you can only resort to the tactics of trying to pick holes in my style of expression. Its no big deal for me to play safe and ,as its more important for me to get my reasoned factual points accross without detracting from them with some risky expressions. But...... the pope is old as most popes have been and often too old to be in the right mental state to lead a large organisation.He is based in italy. Jesus did not like people who dressed up in robes to enhance thier authourity and warned us against them.He also critcised the jewish leaders for that .I used the term fancy dress.Thats what it is. The priests and so on do wear frocks and in the vatican are just humans like us ,also sinners. I used the term sin party.It relates to the modern term fancy dress party.Previous expression was interelated to that. I regard bad organisations as those that do not do as jesus instructed with unchristian actions as described with the rosary and worship of his earthly mother and confession to priests to both misslead the ordinary people away from the lamb of god into thier own enclosure. Word guy is commonly accepted language. Its my right to see the catholic church as being bad if its deviating away from the good teachings of Jesus.As explained in previous posts. It will be better for me to use the kind of written language you regard as acceptable as then you cannot avoid my points by finding faults in the way I express them. I did regret the frock thing though on second thoughts as that was really pushing it a bit far with the connotations implied.I will accept 4 faults on that though. As regards the queen,she was offended and so were a lot of other protestants.No details how I know ,but its right.In public ,she would not comment.The catholic churches attempt to promote its rosary using a protestant queen was regarded as disgraceful and without respect.It was certainly not a suitable gift.
PDM, I have not broken any of your rules.I have given reasons why I dislike the catholic church in the same way that jesus criticised the jewish church and its leaders. I have not sworn at anyone or used abusive language,but given reasons for my criticisms. If people get offended because I upset what they believe in...then oh dear how unpolite of me????
I said that its possible for me to use a neutral style of expression to get my message across.Perhaps a more academic one ,but would have to improve my spelling.
Mr Bloog ,The queen is not a friend of mine.I know she was offended.no details.I have the evidence . Last time I was in court the judge adjourned the case and dismissed the defendent immediately.Case never even went ahead. You would want me on your side in a court room Mr bloog!