Thanks, PDM.

As an addendum to my previous post, I've decided that it would be best if I just posted links to the relevent documentation.

Ok Slim,
Still trying ,sent PDM down the mary path and she spent a lot of time dug deep ,found some old spuds..then later got the juicy potatoes next to the surface.The word of christ is close to us all.You do not need to delve into volumes of academic books or historical data.
At least I saved the girl a lot of trouble going down the same long path on the espicopal bishop thing.
Come on sid...Father so what.I call my father father.The vicars in the C of E do not have a holy father as a leader.Its in that context of worship that they cannot be called that.
The pope is regarded as the holy father by catholics and the priests under him are called father in the context of that holiness.Thats why its wrong.
The term holy is not used in reference to any leader in the C oF E,SO FATHER COULD BE USED IN THE NORMAL WAY...but its not often as it can be seen as catholic and missinterpreted.
Jesus brings people closer to god and his word only.....beads only cause a lot of arguments..!!!

The queen got them ,we did not like them.you will find out oneday but no need to apologise then,I am used to it.

Instead of going back & forth and round in circles, let's look at the real issue here.

How offensive is the rosary to Protestants?

To Freejohn, very offensive.

To SouthSideSlim, not so offensive.

Can I ask, Freejohn, if your C of E vicar gave you an 'Anglican' rosary, would you be offended?


Would I be offended by a rosary?

Well, it would depend upon who gave it to me and what the intent was.

My Mum gave me a rosary. It had been hers and it meant a lot to her. She wanted me to have it. I don't use it, but I am certainly not offended by it, because it was given with love.

If one of my RC relatives gave me a rosary, because it was significant to her, and she was giving it with love, then no, that couldn't be offensive.

If one of my relatives gave me a rosary, deliberately, knowing that I did not want to belong to the RC church, but trying to push me that way against my will, then I would find it offensive. I find it offensive when anyone tries to foist their beliefs on me. This is something we have discussed on other threads.

I am agnostic; I don't know what, if anything, about Christianity is right; and I don't want to belong to a church that I see as alien to myself and my country and which I consider has many faults. So, deliberately giving me a rosary, in order to activate my anger and irritation, would probably do exactly that.

If I chose to visit the Vatican and see the Pope (not that I'd be likely to get an audience), I think that I would actually be inviting a Roman Catholic response - so, if he gave me a rosary, I think I'd have to say ~ well, what did I expect?

If I were Queen, and were simply trying to help the relationship between RCs & Protestants in my country, then I think I would have to react in the same manner: if you visit the Pope, in the Vatican, then you can expect a 'Papist' gift.

Should the Pope have given a rosary? Well, I can see the argument that he should have respected her religious role - as leader of the Church of England. On the other hand, he may have considered that his role as Pope meant that he had to give a 'Papal' gift - something that represented him, his church, the Vatican - and possibly which represented a queen ~ Mary, Queen of Heaven.

I don't know whether he gave a rosary or not; I don't know if the Queen was offended or not. Privately, if she did receive one, she might have felt a bit irritated; but publicly, I would imagine that she would see this as a representative gift, which could be put on display, somewhere with other representative gifts.

life is a creative experience.Its all about respecting the free wills of individuals to allow that to happen.
Thats why we must not force onto others what we think is right.
We are all amazingly different,Sometimes fathers and sons and mothers and daughter can be at opposite ends of the spectrum.
A father could be soldier and his son could be a pacifist.But yet there must be respect between the two.
The catholic church function as a family but worst of all it expects its sons and daughters to fit into its mould.
You have to respect the individuallity of people and try and force things onto them that you think is right.
Its bad manners indeed to offer the queen a catholic rosary as a gift or a vegetarian meat on a plate.
Leave people to create and express themselves in constructive debate without interfering in that.
freedom of expression is paramount.
Your mother gave you a rosary as her mother might have done.Its dificult to break that cycle of tradition.But imagine the soldier whos son is a pacifist and yet there must be still good relation.Thats what its really about.Jesus said its easy to love someone as you ,but the greatest strength is to love your enemy.
Another example imagine if you went to visit someone who was a keen hunter and you hated shooting animals.How would you feel if he put a gun in your hands.
There are principles.Protestants do not believe in special recognition of mary and will not go near rosary beads.When he put them in her hands ,its was not just a massive insult to her ,but to all protestants.Our ancestors fought wars and died to have the freedom to worship only jesus without the forced controls of the catholic church with its holy father,praise of mary and degrading humiliating confession to a priest.Thats the ultimate power tool of the catholic church to get the people to submitt themselves to its authourity.

Fact: The Church of England is both Protestant and Catholic.

Fact: The Church of England is an Anglican Church.

Fact: There are Anglican Rosaries.

Fact: Rosaries have beads, but also always have a cross.

When a guest comes to visit you do not selfishly give them what you want them to have.Give them something that they would like to receive.
In a restaurant serving meat they could give the vegetarian vegetables and the best they had.
When visiting the pope he could have given the queen ,a bible,cross something she would have been pleased to have received.

To SLIM,
THE Cof E was catholic and now its protestant.
YES THERE ARE ANGLICAN ROSARYS...BUT NO CHURCH OF ENGLAND ONES.
rosarys have beads and a cross and so what use is still the same.
wrong on all points again.
Still trying the label game.If think even PDM is beginnning to get wise to it now.
She did the mary thing ,the the father thing and now the use of the anglican catholic term to justify your argument is also starting to wear thin.
Oh, holy father in heaven how many more times do I have to repeat the same answers to mr slim.

You were wrong then and are now. The C of E is an Anglican church, just check their web address:

www.cofe.aglican.org

The use of the rosary is up to the individual.

It's not the label game, it is what is it. I've pointed you to C of E web pages contradicting your points.

You can repeat yourself from now until the end of time. It won't make you right. You need to look at some of the pages I you to pointed.

The anglican church as you know covers many kinds of churches and the C of E is one of them that does not use them.
Lets get it straight.Protestants respect peoples freedom to do what they want,Its part of our nature.
Use of a rosary or counting beads is not encouraged by the C Of E.If anyone does ,its there free choice.