[quote]Originally posted by Galacticus: [b] [quote]Originally posted by janimal: [b]..the american government is by no means the only bad government on the planet, but they are the greatest threat to world stability at this time. [/b][/quote]Well, well, quite a comedy you drawing up here - the iranian Presisdent openly annouces "to wipe Zionism off the face of the earth", the Taleban and Hamas after the 9/11 dancing in the street. The former Saddam Regime, gassing the Kurds, using illegal Biowarfare against Iran, invading Kuweit, committing abhorend warcrimes is all but O.K. sin't as long as the "damned Yanks" with their great Conspirator at their helm, keep their greedy finger out of the equasion. [/b][/quote]Galacticus, how can you compare the threat posed by nuclear armed superpower with the ranting and raving of a couple of tin pot third world despots ruling over poor, weak and irrelevant countries. Seriously, that’s just absurd. TheAmerican right wing are so desperate for an enemy that they will hype up the most pissant and insignificant threat. A gang of fanatical muslims that doesn’t even control one backwards third world country is now used as an excuse to justify military spending even greater than what was justified by the nuclear armed Soviet Union. Run under your bed and hide, Galacticus, maybe some tribe of angry pygmies from Papua New Guinea is going to take over the world. We’d better go invade Paraguay just to make sure. [b] [quote] The policy of the US Governments of the last 50+ years has brought the armsrace and the ironcurtain down - I have been a witness when the Berlin Wall came up - I saw and listened to Pres. Kennendy in Berlin in 1961, when He assured the People of Berlin that the US will back them up for any time to come - I have in my early childhood seen a lot of CARE - Rations donated by the people of the United States of America. [/b][/quote]Nobody doubts they do good things, but that doesn’t erase the bad and the just plain silly. Things have changed since WWII. Power goes to people’s heads and makes them do stupid things. Back then the US was a young ambitious power, today it is an old stupid power. Since WWII, the US has been addicted to colonial bush wars in third world countries – Vietnam, korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti, Panama, El Salvador, Grenada, Nicaragua, Colombia, etc. These serve what purpose exactly? I grew up in two countries, Argentina and Uruguay, where democratically elected governments were overthrown by military dictators with the not-so-tacit approval of the USA. I’m sure I don’t need to remind you about Chile. Today the US “spreads democracy” in Iraq, but is cozy in bed with the god-awful Saudi royal family and is allied with Niyazov, the dictator of Turkmenistan who has renamed the months of the calendar after himself and his mother and who generally makes Saddam Hussein look like a boy scout. I have a feeling that “democracy” isn’t going to spread to red China any time in the near future, either. Spreading democracy obviously isn’t what motivates the American ruling classes. So, what does motivate them, then?

Pollon: When a country goes to fight to defend an ally, it is assumed that they will play a supporting role, or that at the very least the threatened party will be fighting alongside them. If the Iraq war is about Israel then where are the Israelis? How come they aren’t fighting their own war against their own enemy? According to you, the Israelis have set us up to do their job for them for free. If that is so, then maybe you aren’t alleging an Israeli plot, but you ARE alleging that we’re a bunch of chumps and that the Israelis are taking us for a ride. Can you please share with us the scientific research by which you came to the conclusion that global warming is not man made? Do you believe that our lifestyle has no negative impact on the environment?

Capt.Haddock - tell me how to get it right then?

Didn't turn Saddam around?

Isn't it really about world interests?

well, I think that this topic is far too complex to discuss it with a few words or even a cpouple of posts - on this one I am quite sure - everyone has an opinion - what happend - happend - after all it's easy to point the finger... why was Europe sittin' all this time and watching the massacres goin' on in Bosnia?

Ahh well I won't wreck my dya with it - it's too complex as I said.

let's share some frozen Margarita Recipies instead...

I don't have any frozen margarita recipes, so you'll have to start.

I make a good mojito, however...or caipirinha.

Not much beats a frozen margarita--this is the classic recipe:


2 tsp coarse salt
1 lime wedge
3 oz white tequila
1 oz triple sec
2 oz lime juice
1 cup crushed ice


Put the salt in a saucer. Rub rim of a cocktail glass with lime wedge and dip glass into salt to coat rim thoroughly, reserve lime. Pour tequila, triple sec, lime juice, and crushed ice into a blender. Blend well at high speed. Pour into a cocktail glass, like a champagne saucer.


Please notice no limeade concentrate--no mixes--this is the original in its purest form Margarita recipe.

"We put the lime in da coconut an drink it all up, we put da lime in da coconut and drink it all up................."

[quote] TheAmerican right wing are so desperate for an enemy that they will hype up the most pissant and insignificant threat. A gang of fanatical muslims that doesn’t even control one backwards third world country is now used as an excuse to justify military spending even greater than what was justified by the nuclear armed Soviet Union. Run under your bed and hide, Galacticus, maybe some tribe of angry pygmies from Papua New Guinea is going to take over the world. We’d better go invade Paraguay just to make sure. [/quote]oh yeh, oh yeah! thats about the most eloquent way i've seen it put. with your permission, that might just get quoted in one of my songs... [quote] Spreading democracy obviously isn’t what motivates the American ruling classes. So, what does motivate them, then? [/quote]it seems to me that democracy is more open to manipulation. the more countries have 'democratic' regimes the more back doors are open to control from behind the scenes. i don't see why democracy should be pushed so globally - it isn't necessecarily the most siutable for local conditions - unless those who are pushing it are protecting their own agenda. [quote] Europe sittin' all this time and watching the massacres goin' on in Bosnia? [/quote]there was no oil and no money in it. i do however have trouble believing that global warming is man made. sure, we have an impact on the planet, but in the grand scheme of things i think it will prove insignificant. i don't think we understand enough about climate to be able to speculate on causes and patterns. i understand the last ice age may have ended with a temperature rise of around 15 degrees in 18 months, and caused a sea level rise of up to 700 feet. also, the ice in cover on greenland was smaller in the 1920's or so than it is now. the planet's been happyslapped by asteroids, volcanoes and suchlike, and extinction has hit the high 90's several times, but it all keeps bouncing right back, doesn't it?

Janimal: Sure, you can quote that in your song. Nobody really knows what is causing global warming. There are a lot of scientists who believe that human activity plays at least a partial role. There are some others that do not. Who knows, maybe they are right. The views of the latter get a lot of airtime because oil companies and the like find their views convenient and hire PR agencies to propagate them. The problem is that this view only serves to support the attitude of “let’s just do nothing about it”, let’s take no steps to cut carbon emissions, let’s take no steps to make our lifestyle more environmentally sustainable. That is a childishly irresponsible attitude. If global warming is naturally caused, then there probably isn’t a thing we can do about it except sit back and hope we don’t die. If manmade activities do have an impact (and there is plenty of evidence that they do) then we can take steps to lessen that impact. Since we’re not sure what the causes are, we’d better take whatever steps we can to remedy the situation. It’s better to die trying than making excuses. I’m sure the planet will survive whatever damage we do to it: the question isn’t whether the planet will survive, it is whether we will survive as a species on this planet. If we make our environment unsuitable for human habitation, the planet will carry on, we humans will go extinct. Self preservation is the most basic human instinct, isn’t it?

How can one believe that the US Government is misleading the US people re: 9/11 but NOT believe they are completely misleading the American people about how VERY MUCH human beings are responsible for Global Warming.

Especially when there are scientific FACTS to back up us silly little tree huggers? LOL

because politics is a lot easier to manipulate than global climate:

why is that so hard to take on board?

ps the us government is not misleading the us people, it is misleading the world. big difference.