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#326144 - 09/10/08 10:57 PM d
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#326151 - 09/11/08 12:35 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
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Ant, I am really sorry about what happened to you and your pet.

I am, however, also concerned at the accusations that have been made about a named individual. I don't know what his reasons were, but I am just not sure that it is legal to state some of the things that you have stated.

Accordingly, I am removing a small amount of the content.

Was this person actually recommended on this site?

Have you discussed your anger with him?

Have you made an official complaint?


Edited by PDM (09/11/08 12:36 AM)
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#326153 - 09/11/08 12:38 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: PDM]
*helwa
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she is giving a REVIEW of the service she had a vet office, millions of such reviews exist and are perfectly legal!!!

they are her words, no one elses. and she has proof of all what she says!!!

there is absolutely no legal issue here.

i dont want to cause problems here i really dont ... but it honestly disturbs me to see someones post get edited.

that means you are changing their words ... you are making it appear they said something they didnt say ... even if its just removing something. i duno in my opinion that isnt right.

she is simply giving a review.

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#326157 - 09/11/08 12:40 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet [Re: ]
Ant
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Edited by Ant (09/11/08 01:19 AM)

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#326158 - 09/11/08 12:41 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
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You have to be very careful when using certain words about named individuals in public arenas.

I don't want any slander / libel issues being raised on here.

If this person did something without permission, then there must be ways to redress it.


Edited by PDM (09/11/08 12:41 AM)
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#326160 - 09/11/08 12:44 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: PDM]
*helwa
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hmmm

ok its her opinion, and that is not illegal, nor is it slander.

its only slander if what she is saying is untrue, and its true.

i dont get it ???

she is posting this to warn people, to give a review to his services. he is mascarading as an avian vet when in fast he has absolutely no avian certification what so ever !!!!

he is listed on this site, as well many many others, bird talk magazine even. so people see these recomendations and assume he is good ... not to blame this site or anywhere that he was recommended it isnt theri fault nor this sites.

however .. in many peoples minds this site carries alot of weight and they see him listed and may go to him.

so i think a fair and honest discussion of his credentials and ethics is perfectly ok.

but thast just me

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#326164 - 09/11/08 01:09 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
Lisa Shea Offline


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Helwa -

It sounds like you do not understand fully what slander is. Slander is an extremely serious legal issue which could have us hit by a lawsuit and shut down.

It is fine to discuss *factual* issues. It is not fine to add in attacks to those issues. PDM did the exact correct, legally justified action in this thread.

The opinion of shouting "fire" in a theater for fun may be an opinion, but it is also highly illegal. I can quote to you many other examples of the same thing.

Please allow PDM to properly do her moderation without trying to second guess what she does extremely well. It is solely because of her talents and skills that this forum remains in operation.

For example, Helwa, you have stated "he has absolutely no avian certification what so ever". You did not offer any proof of that statement. Please provide the proof of what you have said.
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#326181 - 09/11/08 02:56 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: Lisa Shea]
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my problem with this is there are other members of the forum that live in new york and i really would hate to see them go through what ant has. there should be a way we can warn about this guy and what he has done to ant and poor donald.

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#326185 - 09/11/08 03:33 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: Kariva]
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hey what happened to ant's posts?
there aren't any words anymore
smirk
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#326205 - 09/11/08 05:48 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: Kisa_411]
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On a public board that I post on for newlyweds and one I post on that is also public for mothers, we are allowed to give bad reviews on doctors, vendors, restaurant, caterers and such. These aren't mainly institutions but also people in general. I know here it's perfectly legal to talk about the misdeeds or bad services of any person as long as that is true and can be a way to warn others to not go to them.

I post on MANY public forums and I'm sometimes surprised at how different the rules are here than on those very popular forums that even have their own commercials on tv and their own magazines. Can I get a better understanding why it's different here?
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#326208 - 09/11/08 06:12 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: Darkness]
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Registered: 07/29/08
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Hey I must have missed something here. I'm from NY, is this vet you're referring to someone I should know about? Can you give me name and location,or at least direct me to thread about it? And I thought it was only considered slander if what was said about the person was NOT true?? I feel that if a vet or doctor or whoever gives wrong treatment or claims to be certified in an area that they're really not then yeah by all means let others know so that it doesn't happen to them! Afterall isn't that freedom of speech?
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#326228 - 09/11/08 07:21 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: kksuns]
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There was nothing wrong with Ant's post as I left it.

She(?) explained what happened at a vet's practice and how a specific vet let her down.

I edited out only a very small portion ~ descriptive words for this man ~ which went past 'fact' into what might have been considered slander or libel. It did not take away anything from the story, or the facts, or opinion, or information.

I informed Ant that I had done this to protect the site in case of legal repercussions.

Ant then deleted her(?) posts.
She said that she would re-post her story.


Edited by PDM (09/11/08 07:21 AM)
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#326258 - 09/11/08 09:51 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: PDM]
Ant
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I was way too upset to be angry at him at the office. I was more in shock and tears than anything else. I told him no needles and all he kept saying was he was very sick. And yes, I am going about filing a complaint against him.

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#326259 - 09/11/08 09:59 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
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Good, if he acted against your wishes, then you should make an official complaint.


Edited by PDM (09/11/08 09:59 AM)
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#326275 - 09/11/08 10:20 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: PDM]
*helwa
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--

Lisa Shea here, the owner of this website, commenting on Helwa's posts.

I am in the United States. I have run websites for many years. Just because another random website does something that you have seen, it does NOT make that action legal. Many websites promote child porn. That does not make child porn legal. It simply means you have found one of the millions of websites which promote illegal activities.

I run this forum in an extremely legal manner. I state this in our rules which you accept when you request the privilege of posting in this forum. These rules include, amongst other things, never posting an email address. I have worked closely with Symantec's security team to develop a set of rules which protect our members from harm. Whether or not you agree with my rules is besides the point. They are rules developed with a team of internet experts, and they are the rules we have in place.

If you want to participate in illegal activities - or you feel the rules in place in this forum are too harsh - there are certainly other forums out there which actively enjoy illegal activities, or which operate without safety rules in place.

For people who want to retain posting privileges in this forum, they need to abide by this forum's rules. I cannot make the situation any more clear than that.

It is as if you go to a swimming pool which has rules about "no babies in diapers in this pool". It makes no sense to whine and complain about the rule. If you go to that pool, you abide by that rule. If you want to put your diaper-baby into water, then you need to go elsewhere where that is an accepted thing to do.


Edited by Lisa Shea (09/11/08 11:59 AM)

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#326277 - 09/11/08 10:29 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
*helwa
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ive said what i had to say.

i think what has been done to ant in this post is so wrong.

i will leave it alone now ... its done.

if anyone is in NY and wants to know who this vet is .... send me a message and i will tell you and just to clear up any legal issues lisa thinks she may face here send it to my email.

-- EDITED BY LISA --

thanks

and good day smile

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Helwa, if you are going to continue to post in our forums, you need to abide by our clearly laid out safety rules which include no email addresses posted, ever. We explain in great detail why email addresses should never be posted. The PM system is secure and is in place explicitly to maintain safe communication.


Edited by Lisa Shea (09/11/08 11:51 AM)

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#326278 - 09/11/08 10:31 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
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Helwa, it is not advisable to put your e-mail address on a public forum.

Plus, Ant intends to re-post the details.
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#326280 - 09/11/08 10:34 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: ]
PDM Offline


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Originally Posted By: *helwa
... ant is grieving the MURDER of her beloved pet ... and rather than try to help or express some sympathy other than passing words ...you edit her post and tell her she is putting you in risk of being shut down !!!!!!!!!!!

im sorry lisa, and pdm but i do not agree, and i donot accept that.

other feel the exact same but they are SCARED to say so out loud because they are quite literally terrified of being banned from the site !!!!!! they feel that if they disagree with you or pdm or they post something you dont like they will be banned even this post was removed for that fear....


Really?

Personally I think that what happened to Ant was terrible, and her thread stood as a testimony to it.
Sadly it has now turned into this.
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#326281 - 09/11/08 10:35 AM Re: Awful, Heartbreaking Experience At Trylon Vet Care [Re: PDM]
*helwa
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its my email address and i approve it being there.


its ok with me, most members use it anyway.

i dont mind. i have protection. smile

i just dont want the messages set via PM on this site to ease the worries of you and lisa so you dont have any legal issues to worry over.

and if ant reposts its thats her choice but i feel like she was bullied into erasing it. and i dont like that.

i do not want anyone in ny to go to this vet and have their bird or other animal eithanized behind their backs. so i will give his name if they email me.



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