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#426464 - 05/25/13 01:08 AM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Originally Posted By: rstrats
No, and I'm not aware of any 4th day of the week crucifixion proponents who think the resurrection took place on the first day of the week.


Then this might be interesting . .
............ in order to get three days and three nights and have Jesus Christ out of the grave on Sunday morning, Wednesday will have to be the day that Jesus Christ was crucified on.

http://www.thechurch-apostolicfaith.org/crucifixionofjesuschrist.htm
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#426473 - 05/27/13 02:41 AM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: somsuj]
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somsuj,

re: "Then this might be interesting . . "

Your link says "He rose sometime at the ending of the Saturday day period" which is the seventh day of the week. It doesn't say He rose on the first day of the week.

BTW, ( just as an aside) the link says: "This proves that night is in front of day, not day in front of night as we say today." Actually, we do say today that night is in front of day.

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#427629 - 01/29/14 11:24 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Someone new looking in may know of some writing.

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#427632 - 01/30/14 12:25 AM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Hmmm I think I feel night comes at the end of the day. If I wake up on Wednesday in the day, I then go to sleep on Wednesday at night - and when it's dawn again it's now Thursday. I think night is after day.
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#428796 - 07/06/14 11:50 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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I should also add to the OP: "...and who thinks that the 'heart of the earth' is referring to the tomb..."

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#428797 - 07/06/14 11:56 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Lisa Shea

re: "Hmmm I think I feel night[time] comes at the end of the day[time]...I think that night[time] is after day [time]."

Indeed it is - but it is also at the begining of a calendar day, i.e. from midnight to sunrise.

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#429679 - 02/24/15 12:32 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Someone new looking in my know of some writing.

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#429690 - 03/04/15 11:11 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Our calendar is pretty screwy in modern times. We start the year at a random time in the middle of the winter - not even the actual middle. And we do the same thing with our calendar days.
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#429854 - 06/23/15 04:37 AM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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Perhaps a further rewording of the OP will make it a bit more clear: Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day of the week crucifixion folks they frequently assert that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language. I wonder if anyone knows of any writing that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutely couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights? If it is using common idiomatic language, there ought to be examples of that usage in order to be able to make that assertion.


Edited by rstrats (06/23/15 04:39 AM)

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#430370 - 01/08/16 09:20 PM Re: Matthew 12:40 [Re: rstrats]
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With the new year upon us, maybe there will be someone new looking in who knows of examples as requested in the OP and clarified in further posts. And again, remember that the purpose of this topic is not to discuss how long the Messiah was in the heart of the earth. As stated, there are other topics that do that. However, there are those who say that Matthew 12:40 is using common Jewish idiomatic language such as the Messiah saying that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 nights when He knew that it would only be for 2 nights. But in order to say that it was common, one would have to know of other instances where the same pattern had to have been used. I am simply looking for some of those instances, scriptural or otherwise. So far no one has come forth with any.

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