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#357548 - 06/23/10 04:23 AM Pinot Chardonnay
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Pinot Chardonnay, what is this ?

Neil

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#357552 - 06/23/10 07:15 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Neil G.B.]
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It is Chardonnay.

Bearing in mind that chardonnay in France wasn't labelled with the variety name but the new world started using varietal naming.

Chardonnay was known as Pinot Chardonnay; I have several old labels showing this name.

Then the 'experts' said the variety had no connection with Pinot and the prefix shouldn't be used so it was dropped.

Now DNA testing has shown the old timers were correct all along and Chardonnay is an immediate descendent of Pinot Noir.


Where did you come across this use of the name?

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#357558 - 06/24/10 05:34 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Peter May]
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Peter,
I contacted the vineyard to day & now find it is a blend of Pinot Meunier 35% & Chardonnay 65%.

If you visit www.penarthvineyard.co.uk, you can see a photo of the label, I also have a bottle from same make of the Red ( which if you saw bottle would say is Rose )

Brought all from a Deli in N.Wales.

Neil.

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#357559 - 06/24/10 05:54 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Neil G.B.]
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Umm, confusing labelling -- maybe not legal

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#357562 - 06/25/10 03:57 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Peter May]
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Peter,
I only really brought the wine as was looking for a Welsh made Red & White, ended up buying two from Penarthvineyard, as from a area I know well.

Also brought Red, White & Rose from Vineyard near Holyhead, the white was not bad 100% Madeleine Angevine, it all a big learning curve to me, which with your kind help make a lot of progress,

Thanks

Neil

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#357573 - 06/26/10 07:11 PM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Neil G.B.]
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I would agree with Peter that the label sounds incredibly confusing, which I am wholly against smile
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#357575 - 06/27/10 04:28 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Lisa Shea]
Neil G.B. Offline
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Did you look at website, has image of the label which shows
Pinot Chardonnay, does not say much, I presume if it was shown as
PINOT/CHARDONNAY, would be acceptable?

Check out wwww.englishwineproducers.com, has guide to map of all England & Wales vineyards, normal cost is UK1.00, can get from website FREE.

Neil.

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#357577 - 06/27/10 12:19 PM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Neil G.B.]
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Yes, I saw the label which is why I posted about its legality

The grape variety name is not Pinot. There are several varieties which start with a Pinot prefix

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#357595 - 07/02/10 06:40 PM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Peter May]
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Right - why not actually list the full grape names so it's nice and clear?
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#357605 - 07/03/10 07:55 AM Re: Pinot Chardonnay [Re: Lisa Shea]
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Have to confess do feel have been conned, I took it as being Pinot Chardonnay as per label, so much to learn, thanks guys for help with this.

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