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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149599
05/08/06 10:11 PM
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PDM: If you want me to delete that post, I will. I really fail to see how it is offensive to the forum - I'm sure Bush has heard much worse, but perhaps I have a thicker skin than others. I will be happy to elaborate.

First - the president is the worst public speaker I have ever heard in a position of power.
Example: Nucular. (FYI its "nuclear", Mr. President).
Second: Just listen to his press conferences (a rare occurence, I know). He speaks at about an 8th grade level (my apologies to the 8th graders reading this). I once read a political cartoon saying, "We need somebody who can articulate our view point on the war on terror to the American people. Quick, get Tony Blair over here."

Aside from his borderline illiteracy, what about some of his down right thoughtless comments.
Example:
1. To the terrorists: "Bring it on."

And even if you called all that nit-picky, which I might agree with you, what really gets me is his lack of vision for the future. I seriously think he may have just ruined the world - and that depresses me. If i didn't have kids, I might not be quite so depressed, but I think Bush has really screwed the future of this planet, which my children will have to endure. And that makes me mad. (Homi, note, that I have no plans to shoot W., despite what you may write).
But why do I think he has ruined the future, well let me count the ways:
1. War in Iraq: He just totally destablized a region that was previously, albeit tenuously, stable. When the nuclear bombs go off in the middle east, you can bet it had something to do with the US's invasion of Iraq.
2. Future terrorists: For every Iraqi father/son/wife/child/ we just killed over there, you can bet they have about 10 relatives getting ready to terrorize the US.
3. Energy consumption: Sure, W., Lets just drill all wildlife refuges. There is no green house effect, anyway, right? Is there anybody besides W., Cheney, and Ken Lay that question global warming?
4. Infringement on personal freedoms: Unauthorized wire tapping. Or seeing what I've been googling.
5. Invasion of privacy: Challenging oregon's Death with Dignity Act, Challenging Terry Schiavo's husband, Prohibiting the use of extra IVF embryos for stem cell research (even if they are just going to get tossed anyway), preventing 2 individuals in love from getting married because they are both men or both women. George - don't you have ANYTHING better to do than to meddle in everybody else's lives?

So yes - for W's inability to think through these issues and think through the long term ramifications - I think he is a moron. That is my opinion, and up until a few years ago, I was free to say that. Now apparently, that has come into question, so I can pretty much say the times have changed already.

And for those of you who want to try to make me feel bad by saying NOT NICE things about me personally - go ahead. Especially when you write scripture as your signature. Because that leads me to my final criticism of the president, and perhaps this is a different topic. Bush loves to play the religion card - and people are willing to overlook the killing of thousands YES THOUSANDS of innocent people - in the name of religious certainty - and yes I do have an issue with that.

So when I say Bush is THE DUMBEST PRESIDENT - I say it not just for his questionable communication skills, but for his absolute lack of forethought about the long term implications of his decisions. And my children will pay the price.

Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149600
05/08/06 11:29 PM
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Victor, may I also add something?

Bush has to be the most immature person I've ever seen. I've seen a couple video clips of him flipping off cameras, and in one, he giggled about it like a 13 year old boy might react.


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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149601
05/09/06 01:42 AM
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I really have to say though. He is much worse than an 8th grade speaker. Im in a 7th grade gifted class which is the aquivilent of an 8th grade class. Every one in my class has presented a speech in the past week and I have to say, there were some really bad ones but none as bad as Bush. I just love the quotes that he has said. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."


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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149602
05/09/06 01:54 AM
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Climbtreez, looks like you've been to as many Bushism sites as I have smile


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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149603
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i havent been here in a while, but i'd like to say a couple things. i am not going to argue because in politics most people wont listen. they stick to their side, argue for it and it goes no where. such as this thread. but,
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Originally posted by WitchCatXeen:
Victor, may I also add something?

Bush has to be the most immature person I've ever seen. I've seen a couple video clips of him flipping off cameras, and in one, he giggled about it like a 13 year old boy might react.
your gonna tell me you have NEVER laughed like a 13-year-old? i dont agree with the flipping off but no one is perfect right?

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Originally posted by victor

First - the president is the worst public speaker I have ever heard in a position of power.
Example: Nucular. (FYI its "nuclear", Mr. President).
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hey, people say what they say. are you gonna tell me every word you say at all times is exactly the pronunciation in the dictionary?

we live in a good country, with its faults, what country is perfect though? oh yeah, about the pledge, some countries arent allowed to do such things, so why no grasp the opportunity? i have many more points on which i concur and dont. please excuse all the mistakes in my typing i was rushed.

Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149604
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Climbtreez - sorry about the 8th grade reference. Yes, I can see how that would be offensive to you - I just have forgotten what students can do at certain grades. But you see my point - I find him physically painful to watch. I literally feel pain.

And WitchCat, I am just glad to hear there are others who can share my point of view, or can at least appreciate why I might feel this way. I can respect a variety of view points - and I believe that a diversity of views will make us richer as a whole - but my experience in life is that alot of the most hateful things I read come from the people who portray themselves as holier than thou.

And Jenny - I think we posted simultanously so I will edit this - I respect your view points and welcome opposing views. PDM asked me to explicitly clarify why I think W. is dumb, so I tried to give some examples off the top of my head. If you took the time to read the rest of my post, you would see that I acknowledged that those grammatical points can be considered nit-picky - so I am not disagreeing. However if you continued to read my post, you would see my larger complaint with him is his lack of vision and the peril that he has created for the entire world. As far as his grammatical issues, I could overlook them if I thought he was a brilliant thinker. But he is not a brilliant thinker - even most republicans will tell you that.

Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149605
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your gonna tell me you have NEVER laughed like a 13-year-old? i dont agree with the flipping off but no one is perfect right?
I laughed like a 13 year old when I was a 13 year old. And I'm not someone who is responsible for representing a whole country. The day that the description of President of the United States involves being immature is the day I'll start support his efforts.


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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149606
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Quote:
Originally posted by victor:
PDM: If you want me to delete that post, I will. I really fail to see how it is offensive to the forum - I'm sure Bush has heard much worse, but perhaps I have a thicker skin than others. I will be happy to elaborate.

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If it had been necessary to delete it, I would have done so. smile Personally, I think it is fine to criticise politicians - after all, they put themselves up for inspection & criticism - but I suppose it is only fair to explain why you would wish to do so. Also, it makes it clearer to others just exactly what you mean.

(I did actually receive a complaint from someone who was offended.).


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Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149607
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i try to look at everything yall posted but there is a lot of different views. i agree with some and i dont agree with others. i am pretty young and though i try hard, there are still things i really couldnt possibly understand.

victor- i can understand about you just getting the first idea you could think of. dumb can be a very harsh word in some peoples eyes. also, i am an 8th grader. i guess i can understand you using that as a reference so i am not offended.

witchcatxeen- so the day you hit 14 you havent done a couple things immature? you're right though if you are gonna be in front of the public eye maybe you should make a couple better choices.

Re: Must we pledge our allegiance? #149608
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For those of you that hate our country you don't know how good you have it Most countries you wouldn't even have a choice. Some countries if your a woman or child you are considered property and have no rights at all there are other countries that if you express your opinion you could end up in jail for the rest of your life and their jails are nothing like the jails is the US. Do some research on some foreign countries and you will be suprized at how good we have it in the United States.



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