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Re: The Hand and The Knife [Re: pete186] #163143
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Welcome to the forum, pete186 smile

Hi.
I am not convinced that the skintone will be very relevant, because the picture has been restored so many times since Leonardo completed the original.


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Re: The Hand and The Knife [Re: pete186] #165487
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Pete, tell me a good reason why he should have included Mary.

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Re: The Hand and The Knife [Re: Lisa Shea] #431832
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Haven't read all the posts in this particular thread so I apologize if this comment has been made already.

The knife is in keeping with the slaying of the Passover lamb which took place on the afternoon before Passover. Perhaps the lamb was about to be slaughtered when Jesus called the ritual to a halt by stating that his own sacrifice of body and blood was enough. This would cause the commotion depicted in daVinci's painting.

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This particular scene that Leonardo da Vinci was painting is reasonably well documented in the Bible, so he was attempting to portray that scene accurately. I don't believe lamb was mentioned in it in that context.


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Hi Lisa. Both Mark and Luke mention the disciples asking Jesus about the preparation of the Passover Lamb. Hebrews 10:5 (NIV) speaks of Christ's intent to end sacrifices. John describes the dialogue about the betrayal as occurring after the meal.

The slaying of the Passover Lamb was a centuries old ritual in the Jewish tradition. The painting of the Last Supper was commissioned by a Roman Catholic. DsVinci's portrayal of the Last Supper is depicting the end of Christ's association with Judaism and His entrance into the Catholic faith.

I find it highly unlikely that Peter was set to kill anybody sitting at the table.

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In Matthew 27:62-66 -

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A62-66

it's indicated that Jesus died on preparation day. So the last supper wouldn't be involved directly with that. I don't think the knife had anything to do with lambs.

The commotion is generally agreed upon to be in response to the betrayal comment, not about body and blood. I believe we have Leonardo's own notes on this. We also have his studies with the apostles identified by name.

The entire scene shown by Leonardo da Vinci is made up. People back then didn't sit at a table, never mind all at one long one, all on one side. They sat on the floor on cushions. This was a staged scene so it looked out over a 'cafeteria' in essence, so the people in the room could feel like they were eating with their holy kin.


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